When you consider bush’s “compassionate conservative” slogan which resulted in THOUSANDS OF IRAQ CHILDREN DYING in a war that would have been started 9/11 or not, then saying it is a game, is for me, declaring you can not see the forest through the trees (LIES DO MATTER).

99% of the people out there will tell you that politicians lie. But I was under the impression that we were going to declare that lies would not be acceptable, and that by demanding some semblance of truth, were going to start to change politics for the better.

Not sure Susie what you reasons are for changing your tune, but the music you are now playing sounds pretty bad to me. And I believe in your heart, that you like nice music - I’ve heard it before. And I miss the music you used to make. Bb

We’re not teetering at the edge, we’re in free fall.
We just haven’t splattered against the ground yet.

Me thinks it would be a constant chorus of “I told you so’s and the truly electable one has risen to the top, etc”. Anytime anyone gets caught in a blatant lie/exaggeration/misspeak is never a pretty sight and tends to have a lot of splatter effect… I can only say hrc brought this entirely on herself. She chose to tell a tall tale numerous times and use it as evidence of more for. experience, etc. Am I happy to see a public humiliation - no. But I have no sympathy for hrc and co. she has continued the kamikaze flights. Having her rich DLC superD’s send Pelosi a “threatening” letter warning of no mare money unless she backtracks on her statement of pledged delegates determining the nomination. Of course she wont - but the letter serves to give notice to the other dem delegates that the big donors may stop with the money stream. I half expect hrc to be sitting on the couch on Fox and Friends any morning now…
Tommorow whe will sip her sake, put on the headband, bow towards the emperor and climb back in her Zero and head out to dive the fleet in port. Sort of like the five o’clock bomber on the old MASH episode. She will never realize though we are paying attention for entertainment value only…

Sounds good to me! I’m just tired of Team Clinton and Team Obama doing all of the Republican’s dirty work for them. And I am pretty sure I am not alone.

The only question I have is judging criteria. Are you looking at amount that sticks, distance thrown, or accuracy? And who wants to paint the rings on McCain?

At this point since there is general agreement that there are two qualified candidates and that there is not likely to be a clear delagate winner through the primaries, I would like to suggest a solution - a coin toss.

How about a contest to see who can throw the most muck at McCain? If Clinton can call in an air-strike, with 100 megatons of shit vectoring in on McCain from orbit, well hey, she’s the one.

can’t we all just get along?

unfortunately it’s really both.

I no more care about their campaign tactics than I do about the on-the-field behavior of the Dallas Cowboys. IT’S A GAME. They’re in it to win.

Susie, that’s an important point isn’t it? Doesn’t Clinton’s foolish embellishment undermine claims that she’s a politician who won’t make foolish gaffes and cost us the election with a silly lie discovered in October?

Don’t get me wrong, most media flaps are manufactured by the media, and not really the “fault” of either candidate. But for what it’s worth, this was an entirely self-inflicted wound.

And a minor point. It’s not a game, it’s an election. If Clinton wins the nomination by seriously alienating african americans and disaffecting young people, then there are consequences beyond 7 months of quarterback controversy.

For those of us who’s preferred candidate was silenced out of the campaign months ago (and to whom the differences between the remaining candidates matter about as much as a standard coin weighs) this should be about as good of a way to solve the problem as any and will lessen the amount of ammunition that McCain and the Republican party can get from a protracted race.

how is it a double standard? clinton was caught in a lie. you acknowledge it yourself in the post!

my point in comment #4 is not that clinton was lying, it was that you didn’t seem to have a problem floating every single obama was lying story up until the moment that clinton was the one accused of lying. then, all of a sudden, the song changes to “every politician lies.” i agree with the new song, i just question why that didn’t excuse all the stuff you have been writing about obama in the past few weeks. that’s the double standard.

once again: i welcome the message of the post. let’s focus on substantive stuff rather than this ridiculous tit-for-tat, mistatement of the day. it’s hard, because there really isn’t much going on these days with the campaigns other than this shit. which is why the primaries are all but absent from my blog.

This week, you sunk to a new low when you linked to a post at Corrente calling someone who considered you a friend a “skintern” who was “teabagging” the guys at Politico. I can only assume that you linked to it in approval, despite your attempt at pretending not to understand why it was offensive to him.

And now you defend this behavior as lies that every politician tells.

For years, we’ve all been railing against the likes of Scaife and his smear machine, and when the former target of his ire (Hillary Clinton) gets into bed with him, you look the other way and whistle a vindictive tune.

I hope that in the end all of this is worth it to you. I think Hillary’s presidential chance aren’t the only loss here.

At least we now know not to take anything this site says seriously. After all, if she thinks it’s fine for campaigns to make bullshit up, then there’s no reason to believe she won’t do the same thing herself. Why should anyone believe anything here is said honestly, as opposed to give her candidate the advantage?

At least now we know how someone can pretend that the candidate who belongs to an organization(Fellowship) which believes that the wealthy elite are chosen by god to rule over the world is also the candidate of the downtrodden in our society. You simply lie.

See? You’re doing it.

As I just said, it’s the double standard that drives me nuts. It drives me fucking crazy when people attack Clinton’s character for the same things Obama does.

i mean, i welcome the point of this post. i just wonder why you didn’t have that revelation until clinton was the one caught in the lie.

but hey, let’s turn over a new leaf. i am really really tired of all the ridiculous charges and counter-charges in this campaign. i’m afraid that when you have 2 candidates whose policies are this similar, and what few differences they do have have been explored ad infinitum already, and another 4 months of non-stop campaigning ahead of us, this will only get worse not better. the substantive issues have already been talked out so much there’s nothing new to say. so the press (and bloggers in tow) resort to obsessing about the ridiculous gaffe of the day.

Then we hear from the media that it’s starting to seem like we’re more interested in the lives of the candidates than the issues while at the same time we’re seeing on MSN “What the candidates houses tell us about them.” I don’t care about all this trivial nonsense!!!!

All this gives the media time to switch the focus as well a crucify candidates THEY don’t like. Fair and balanced my ass! We really need to push for a change in all this.