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	<title>Comments on: Gee, I Wonder Why</title>
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	<description>Keeping a jaundiced eye on the corporate media.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/07/06/27/gee-i-wonder-why/#comment-140377</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for Reagan's run in 1976, his supporters were chanting "Four More Months! Four More Months!" as Ford got the nomination.  Or so the story goes.  
Of course Reagan's supporters had substantive ideological differences with Ford, which makes the comparison to this year's battle to the death between the Doppelgangers even odder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Reagan&#8217;s run in 1976, his supporters were chanting &#8220;Four More Months! Four More Months!&#8221; as Ford got the nomination.  Or so the story goes.<br />
Of course Reagan&#8217;s supporters had substantive ideological differences with Ford, which makes the comparison to this year&#8217;s battle to the death between the Doppelgangers even odder.</p>
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		<title>By: atalex</title>
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		<dc:creator>atalex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, I can't help but noticing that of those prior elections you listed, only Carter in '76 was the only one to come back to win by any significant margin after running a late-contested primary. Dukakis '88, Carter '80 and Ford '76 all lost fairly decisively (and yes, that means that Carter '76 won despite competition from Udall, Brown, and Church in large part because Reagan's "quixotic" campaign against Ford was more successful -- Reagan actually took votes away from Ford in the general election). Even JFK nearly lost to Nixon in '60. 

In short, I don't know what you're trying to prove with this post but, well, it doesn't seem to prove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I can&#8217;t help but noticing that of those prior elections you listed, only Carter in &#8216;76 was the only one to come back to win by any significant margin after running a late-contested primary. Dukakis &#8216;88, Carter &#8216;80 and Ford &#8216;76 all lost fairly decisively (and yes, that means that Carter &#8216;76 won despite competition from Udall, Brown, and Church in large part because Reagan&#8217;s &#8220;quixotic&#8221; campaign against Ford was more successful &#8212; Reagan actually took votes away from Ford in the general election). Even JFK nearly lost to Nixon in &#8216;60. </p>
<p>In short, I don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re trying to prove with this post but, well, it doesn&#8217;t seem to prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: clio</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/07/06/27/gee-i-wonder-why/#comment-140369</link>
		<dc:creator>clio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The increasing calls for Senator C. to quit give me more hope than I've had in while that she may actually win this thing.

Ghandi had it exactly right.*

* for those like me who sometimes lack immediate recall:
&lt;i&gt;“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”&lt;/i&gt;
-Mahatma Gandhi - (1869-1948)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The increasing calls for Senator C. to quit give me more hope than I&#8217;ve had in while that she may actually win this thing.</p>
<p>Ghandi had it exactly right.*</p>
<p>* for those like me who sometimes lack immediate recall:<br />
<i>“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”</i><br />
-Mahatma Gandhi - (1869-1948)</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost of Joe Liebling's Dog</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/07/06/27/gee-i-wonder-why/#comment-140366</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghost of Joe Liebling's Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the media make of elections, and what to make of what the media make of elections: A pair of moving targets.

Huckabee and Paul? And how about Edwards (remember Edwards? Edwards ran for President.)? This time around the Professional Journalists&#8482; decided to treat one of them half-seriously and make the other two disappear. 

(I'm guessing, but someone probably knows: Who had more air-time on the networks, the cable-fishwraps, and NPR -- Ralph Nader or Ron Paul?)

Doesn't change the fact of Clinton Rules. Of course it's different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the media make of elections, and what to make of what the media make of elections: A pair of moving targets.</p>
<p>Huckabee and Paul? And how about Edwards (remember Edwards? Edwards ran for President.)? This time around the Professional Journalists&trade; decided to treat one of them half-seriously and make the other two disappear. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;m guessing, but someone probably knows: Who had more air-time on the networks, the cable-fishwraps, and NPR &#8212; Ralph Nader or Ron Paul?)</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t change the fact of Clinton Rules. Of course it&#8217;s different.</p>
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		<title>By: white_n_az</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/07/06/27/gee-i-wonder-why/#comment-140365</link>
		<dc:creator>white_n_az</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just pointing out John, that it wasn't other Republicans calling out for Huckabee and Paul to exit the race and the media questioning wasn't much.

In Hillary's case, it is Obama surrogates calling for Hillary to withdraw and the media role, like it has been throughout this nomination process to give the anti-Hillary voices a soap box.

There is a vast difference.

As for the media treating Obama unfairly, that will come in the general election should he make it there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just pointing out John, that it wasn&#8217;t other Republicans calling out for Huckabee and Paul to exit the race and the media questioning wasn&#8217;t much.</p>
<p>In Hillary&#8217;s case, it is Obama surrogates calling for Hillary to withdraw and the media role, like it has been throughout this nomination process to give the anti-Hillary voices a soap box.</p>
<p>There is a vast difference.</p>
<p>As for the media treating Obama unfairly, that will come in the general election should he make it there.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Clinton is being held to a different standard than virtually any other candidate in history&lt;/blockquote&gt;I guess you guys missed the republican primary this year?  Huckabee and Paul were subject to more scorn and derision from the media than most others, including the constant drumbeat for Huckabee to drop out.

But by all means, the media isn't fair to Clinton so our duty as progressives is to ensure that it treats Obama equally unfairly, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Clinton is being held to a different standard than virtually any other candidate in history</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess you guys missed the republican primary this year?  Huckabee and Paul were subject to more scorn and derision from the media than most others, including the constant drumbeat for Huckabee to drop out.</p>
<p>But by all means, the media isn&#8217;t fair to Clinton so our duty as progressives is to ensure that it treats Obama equally unfairly, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Susie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they did the same thing to Al Gore and John Kerry - and both of them won. (Depending on who's counting the votes, of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they did the same thing to Al Gore and John Kerry - and both of them won. (Depending on who&#8217;s counting the votes, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: Snarki, child of Loki</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/07/06/27/gee-i-wonder-why/#comment-140359</link>
		<dc:creator>Snarki, child of Loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton is &lt;b&gt;absolutely&lt;/b&gt; getting a raw deal.  But unfortunately there's no sign that it will abate if she clinches the nomination, or even wins the general election in a landslide.

Both Clintons have been subjected to relentless villificiation since 1991.  Sixteen years.  That's not something that can be overcome in a few months of campaigning; more like a generation of slapping down conservitards so hard that they go cross-eyed.

So while I think that Clinton would make a very good president, I'm not optimistic about her chances (both of election, and of being able to govern without constant 'gotcha, gotcha' crap)

Not that Obama will have clear sailing, either.  Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton is <b>absolutely</b> getting a raw deal.  But unfortunately there&#8217;s no sign that it will abate if she clinches the nomination, or even wins the general election in a landslide.</p>
<p>Both Clintons have been subjected to relentless villificiation since 1991.  Sixteen years.  That&#8217;s not something that can be overcome in a few months of campaigning; more like a generation of slapping down conservitards so hard that they go cross-eyed.</p>
<p>So while I think that Clinton would make a very good president, I&#8217;m not optimistic about her chances (both of election, and of being able to govern without constant &#8216;gotcha, gotcha&#8217; crap)</p>
<p>Not that Obama will have clear sailing, either.  Oh well.</p>
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