Really, do yourself a favor and look at the actual pledge; the only thing the candidates pledged not to do was campaign or participate in the primary of any state that broke the timing rules. “Campaign” was defined, but “participate” was not, meaning that there is no way to say that one action or another is “very clearly participation” since “participation” is very much open to interpretation. The pledge said nothing about delegate selection, which makes perfect sense because delegate selection is not within the authority of the candidates.

I don’t hold out much hope that you will look at the actual pledge, though; I’ve been asking people to read the rules and the pledge for a couple of months now, and nobody takes me up on that.

when you translate any criticism of clinton into “the bitch made me do it!” you’re minimizing the real sexist attacks used against clinton. people can be against clinton for reasons that have nothing to do with her sex. i know you’re being flip, but actually it’s comments like yours that make people take outcries about actual sexist attacks against her less seriously.

I’m so frickin tired of this election.

If you find this surprising, you really haven’t been paying attention to the Obama campaign over the past year.

Their decision to oppose universal healthcare was the signal that, appearances aside, theirs was an explicitly anti-progressive campaign.

We can put a stop to the FL - MI problem. Take the pledge:

“If MI and FL are not brought into the national picture immediately and their votes counted, and if Obama is the Democratic nominee, I will not vote for president in November. If MI and FL are returned to the national picture immediately and their votes counted, then I will vote for the Democratic nominee whomever it is”.

If enough of us take the pledge then Dean has few choices. If he makes the wrong choice then Obama will have no chance to be President. Period. The only chance for Obama and choice for Dean is to bring FL and MI into the equation, now.

But he didn’t technically break the rules, the same as with that “national ad buy” in Florida, so it’s okay, right? I swear, Obama’s campaign and supporters project as badly as Rethuglicans. BTW, Clinton’s campaign purged 50, versus 900 for Obama’s. A big difference, I’d say.

Thanks for being ever so helpful. I was asking for confirmation, not stating it as gospel. =P

I believe that this is a direct result of Clinton …

Let me translate this into the vulgate:

The bitch made me do it!

Glad to help out. No thanks necessary. (Though I’m surprised this was #3 in the thread. I would have thought #1, for sure.)

Who was left standing, still in the running for the Sunday delegate caucuses?

The bundlers, the men and women who skirt campaign finance laws by bundling cash, a bundle of $2,000 here and a bundle of $2,000 there — and some, though certainly not all, of the elbow-grease: grassroots Obama volunteers, loyalists from day one.

Who was kicked to the curb? Brian Leubitz, a Calitics blogger with a mighty pen, Tad Daley, former policy advisor to Cranston and Kucinich and a career fellow with the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, Alan Toy, a disabled rights activist and Chair of the American Civil Liberties Union chapter in Santa Monica, and a nameless, yet tireless grassroots volunteer who toiled nights making precinct maps… and me.

I see a number of Obama themes going down in flames here…

Friends don’t let friends link to DK because linking drives traffic to them.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/10/211336/770/769/493487

Has anyone seen confirmation?

And, though you may hate Clinton with all your heart, it does not change the fact that she was right about the pledged delegates. Don’t be upset because she knows the rules in and out: she didn’t make them, she just knows how to play inside them.

… because apparently disenfranchising voters only counts if Clinton gets an advantage.

I guess that does explain why she agreed in writing to not seating FL and MI … until she blew the early campaign and found she needed the results of their not quite democratic primaries.

Clinton is doing it too.

(remember Switzerland)