Comments on: Class Act http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/ Keeping a jaundiced eye on the corporate media. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:39:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Elanor http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140862 Elanor Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:02:21 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140862 What I find hilarious about this entire teapot tempest is hearing Washington insiders on TV analyzing the thoughts and beliefs of small-town and rural Americans, as if they knew ANYTHING about the topic. Obama tells it like it is. He may on rare occasions phrase it inelegantly, and when he does, the attack dogs are there to pounce. For Hillary to label him elitist is absurd, she of the $109 million income and leafy NY suburban home. What I find hilarious about this entire teapot tempest is hearing Washington insiders on TV analyzing the thoughts and beliefs of small-town and rural Americans, as if they knew ANYTHING about the topic. Obama tells it like it is. He may on rare occasions phrase it inelegantly, and when he does, the attack dogs are there to pounce. For Hillary to label him elitist is absurd, she of the $109 million income and leafy NY suburban home.

]]> By: Spryboy http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140811 Spryboy Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:21:48 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140811 What utter bullshit. What Obama said was perfectly true, and not in the least elitist or condescending, no matter how desperately Obama-bashers, Hillary-supporters, and FOX News acolytes want to twist his words (shades of the bullshit "gotcha politics" that lead to the "Al Gore Claimed He Invented the Internet" lie as well). What he said was nothing new. Nothing different than what Howard Dean said in 2004, or what was published in the book "The Trouble with Kansas". Obama has proven himself to be far more in touch with the actual voters and people and working class than either Hillary Clinton or John McCain... and both of those two have proven themsevles to be shameless spinning opportunists. Just pathetic. And loathesome. This is why I support Obama. I prefer truth over bullshit politics as usual, and cannot stand the disgusting and desperate and arrogant and incompetent campaign Hillary has been running. Obama's response is great. Hillary's attack is nothing short of shameful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_mQ3h8lx0 What utter bullshit.

What Obama said was perfectly true, and not in the least elitist or condescending, no matter how desperately Obama-bashers, Hillary-supporters, and FOX News acolytes want to twist his words (shades of the bullshit “gotcha politics” that lead to the “Al Gore Claimed He Invented the Internet” lie as well).

What he said was nothing new. Nothing different than what Howard Dean said in 2004, or what was published in the book “The Trouble with Kansas”.

Obama has proven himself to be far more in touch with the actual voters and people and working class than either Hillary Clinton or John McCain… and both of those two have proven themsevles to be shameless spinning opportunists. Just pathetic. And loathesome.

This is why I support Obama. I prefer truth over bullshit politics as usual, and cannot stand the disgusting and desperate and arrogant and incompetent campaign Hillary has been running.

Obama’s response is great. Hillary’s attack is nothing short of shameful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_mQ3h8lx0

]]> By: jeff http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140775 jeff Sun, 13 Apr 2008 06:07:57 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140775 Huh, further down Susie said this was a "manufactured controversy" (which is true), yet now she appears to be supporting the McCain-Clinton line that Obama's statement shows that he is an "out of touch, elitist librul," as per all of the Republican propaganda we have been subjected to lo these last seven years. Susie, I like your site, but Hillary is a conscienceless hack. She will never get the nomination, and Democrats across the country, including me, are totally disgusted with her and Bill for the sleazy campaign they have run. I wouldn't vote for her for dogcatcher. Huh, further down Susie said this was a “manufactured controversy” (which is true), yet now she appears to be supporting the McCain-Clinton line that Obama’s statement shows that he is an “out of touch, elitist librul,” as per all of the Republican propaganda we have been subjected to lo these last seven years.

Susie, I like your site, but Hillary is a conscienceless hack. She will never get the nomination, and Democrats across the country, including me, are totally disgusted with her and Bill for the sleazy campaign they have run. I wouldn’t vote for her for dogcatcher.

]]> By: Amelia http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140771 Amelia Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:15:35 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140771 Yes but wasn't the question put to Obama, to which he answered with his anthropoligical description of an exotic breed of zoo animal, why are Democratic voters in a Democratic primary voting for Hillary Clinton and not you? (although the question had far fewer words). Obama wasn't answering why are the rubes so stupid to vote against their interests by voting Republican, Obama was saying that people are voting Hillary because they are stupid gun toting bible beating bigots. Similar to what Samantha Powers said (in explaining why Hillary was a "monster"--explaining that she was fooling stupid people into voting for her). As a Hillary supporter I find that remarkably offensive. Not to mention that working class white people are like people in general - a little more complicated than all that. I'm also offended on behalf of the working class people I've known, of all colors. Yes but wasn’t the question put to Obama, to which he answered with his anthropoligical description of an exotic breed of zoo animal, why are Democratic voters in a Democratic primary voting for Hillary Clinton and not you? (although the question had far fewer words). Obama wasn’t answering why are the rubes so stupid to vote against their interests by voting Republican, Obama was saying that people are voting Hillary because they are stupid gun toting bible beating bigots. Similar to what Samantha Powers said (in explaining why Hillary was a “monster”–explaining that she was fooling stupid people into voting for her). As a Hillary supporter I find that remarkably offensive.

Not to mention that working class white people are like people in general - a little more complicated than all that. I’m also offended on behalf of the working class people I’ve known, of all colors.

]]> By: steveeboy http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140757 steveeboy Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:32:16 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140757 not too many poor dumb gun toting back country types in PA or Ohio friend. that's a straw man of your own invention. nothing of the sort was said or implied, that's a figment of your own desperation. not too many poor dumb gun toting back country types in PA or Ohio friend.

that’s a straw man of your own invention.

nothing of the sort was said or implied, that’s a figment of your own desperation.

]]> By: k http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140748 k Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:52:54 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140748 Steveeboy ; The comment was directed at rich folks, describing us poor gun-toting back-country types. Nobody said people aren't bitter and angry. But us dumb back-country folks are able to see the big picture, and some of us don't agree with you. Steveeboy ; The comment was directed at rich folks, describing us poor gun-toting back-country types. Nobody said people aren’t bitter and angry. But us dumb back-country folks are able to see the big picture, and some of us don’t agree with you.

]]> By: k http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140746 k Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:47:06 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140746 I haven't seen Senator Clinton declare herself "one of us." Doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Doesn't matter to me. What she does do is see "us." I haven’t seen Senator Clinton declare herself “one of us.” Doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. Doesn’t matter to me.
What she does do is see “us.”

]]> By: steveeboy http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140745 steveeboy Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:43:17 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140745 oh please, such blather, and all in support of the rich white former first lady senator? everything obama said was true, and concise analysis. I especially loved the portion about the bankruptcy bill--that clinton voted for! people are truly getting desperate when they are ready to claim that people aren't bitter and pissed off. there was no pandering and no condescension, just a clear statement of facts, the likes of which haven't come from a politician ready to take the white house in my lifetime. oh please, such blather, and all in support of the rich white former first lady senator?

everything obama said was true, and concise analysis.

I especially loved the portion about the bankruptcy bill–that clinton voted for!

people are truly getting desperate when they are ready to claim that people aren’t bitter and pissed off.

there was no pandering and no condescension, just a clear statement of facts, the likes of which haven’t come from a politician ready to take the white house in my lifetime.

]]> By: soullite http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140743 soullite Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:38:43 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140743 Lmao, rich Hillary supporters willfully misinterpreting Obama's remarks aren't going to mean squat to most Americans. We are angry, we are bitter, and we sure as hell don't trust the promises of the Clinton's or the Bush's when it comes to trade or economics. You can pretend it isn't true, but then you're stunned that Hillary hasn't won this thing. What do you really know about politics? These people have lied through their teeth to us for years, and Obama at least understands why we don't just automatically back Democrats. It's because they aren't REALLY the party of the lower class, they just pretend to be during election time. Lmao, rich Hillary supporters willfully misinterpreting Obama’s remarks aren’t going to mean squat to most Americans.

We are angry, we are bitter, and we sure as hell don’t trust the promises of the Clinton’s or the Bush’s when it comes to trade or economics. You can pretend it isn’t true, but then you’re stunned that Hillary hasn’t won this thing. What do you really know about politics? These people have lied through their teeth to us for years, and Obama at least understands why we don’t just automatically back Democrats. It’s because they aren’t REALLY the party of the lower class, they just pretend to be during election time.

]]> By: PSoTD http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140719 PSoTD Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:34:52 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140719 Who IS listening to Rush Limbaugh, anyways? Who IS listening to Rush Limbaugh, anyways?

]]> By: Wendy Whinner http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140718 Wendy Whinner Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:17:10 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140718 Obama sunk himself with his own words to an elite group where he dumbly thought he was out of the internet's earshot. But to claim Hillary Clinton views herself as one of us (the ordinary, gun and God loving white middle class) is too too funny. She went to Wellesley and Yale for Christ sakes and has never once looked back in fondness! Until now when she needs us to beat The Golden Boy, Obama. Obama sunk himself with his own words to an elite group where he dumbly thought he was out of the internet’s earshot. But to claim Hillary Clinton views herself as one of us (the ordinary, gun and God loving white middle class) is too too funny. She went to Wellesley and Yale for Christ sakes and has never once looked back in fondness! Until now when she needs us to beat The Golden Boy, Obama.

]]> By: Lou http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140717 Lou Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:02:46 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140717 What Macjazz said. This (and the hypocritical responses from Clinton and McCain) will be the reason I vote for Obama. What Macjazz said.
This (and the hypocritical responses from Clinton and McCain) will be the reason I vote for Obama.

]]> By: Macjazz http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/12/10/32/class-act-2/#comment-140715 Macjazz Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:52:40 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24446#comment-140715 "These allegedly bitter, backwards people have no interest in leaving their way of life so they can join Obamacans at the Starbucks in some hip urban enclave. " Lordy, talk about stereotyping. And I notice the author of this piece still doesn't get it about Rev Wright either, by the by. I work with and hang out with working class people ... bowlers, Elks club members, Amrican Legion members, yes, even NASCAR fans ... heck I basically am a working class person jobwise, except that it's not the background I come from, so like most Americans I'm a mixed bag. I'm not offended by Obama's statements, and I think what he said is both true AND a very incomplete picture, and in that sense not true. But as with Rev Wright, I guess there are certain things which aren't acceptable to say, true or not. “These allegedly bitter, backwards people have no interest in leaving their way of life so they can join Obamacans at the Starbucks in some hip urban enclave. ”

Lordy, talk about stereotyping. And I notice the author of this piece still doesn’t get it about Rev Wright either, by the by.

I work with and hang out with working class people … bowlers, Elks club members, Amrican Legion members, yes, even NASCAR fans … heck I basically am a working class person jobwise, except that it’s not the background I come from, so like most Americans I’m a mixed bag. I’m not offended by Obama’s statements, and I think what he said is both true AND a very incomplete picture, and in that sense not true. But as with Rev Wright, I guess there are certain things which aren’t acceptable to say, true or not.

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