Comments on: New SUSA Poll http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/ Keeping a jaundiced eye on the corporate media. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:12:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: white_n_az http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140978 white_n_az Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:45:37 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140978 <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20080414/cm_rcp/mccains_electoral_college_math" rel="nofollow">McCain's Electoral Math</a> for Wendy... <blockquote>Barack Obama is a far weaker candidate in many of these targeted states, but in particular in Ohio, Florida., Missouri, Arkansas, and West Virginia. McCain takes Arizona off the table against either nominee. Obama is polling better than Clinton in the competitive southwestern states and Iowa, as well as in Oregon, but trails badly in Virginia, which has elected a string of Democrats in recent years to statewide office. Some Democratic Party officials have written off Florida if Obama is the nominee (in some surveys he trails in the state by 10% or more, though he only trails by 4% in the Rasmussen survey). The Rasmussen survey shows McCain with a 7% lead over Obama in Ohio. Obama lost badly in that state's Democratic primary (by 10% to Clinton) winning only 5 of 88 counties. Now having insulted rural voters for their attachment to guns and God, the state has become even less friendly turf for him.</blockquote> McCain’s Electoral Math for Wendy…

Barack Obama is a far weaker candidate in many of these targeted states, but in particular in Ohio, Florida., Missouri, Arkansas, and West Virginia. McCain takes Arizona off the table against either nominee. Obama is polling better than Clinton in the competitive southwestern states and Iowa, as well as in Oregon, but trails badly in Virginia, which has elected a string of Democrats in recent years to statewide office. Some Democratic Party officials have written off Florida if Obama is the nominee (in some surveys he trails in the state by 10% or more, though he only trails by 4% in the Rasmussen survey). The Rasmussen survey shows McCain with a 7% lead over Obama in Ohio. Obama lost badly in that state’s Democratic primary (by 10% to Clinton) winning only 5 of 88 counties. Now having insulted rural voters for their attachment to guns and God, the state has become even less friendly turf for him.

]]> By: Stuart http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140977 Stuart Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:25:40 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140977 Gee, all I can say right now is I cannot see an eyelash's worth of difference between the two Democratic Presidential candidates. I am so glad that I live in Illinois and was still able to cast a vote for Edwards (even though he had dropped out by that time). All of the acrimony that this bickering is presently causing is making me seriously consider just sitting out the election entirely. Either that or actively voting for McCain and enjoying the destruction of what's left of our country! I hope that whomever wins this mess (the Democratic nomination) can figure out a way to undo the damage, but I am not holding my breath based on the postings and comments I see on this site and others. Gee, all I can say right now is I cannot see an eyelash’s worth of difference between the two Democratic Presidential candidates. I am so glad that I live in Illinois and was still able to cast a vote for Edwards (even though he had dropped out by that time). All of the acrimony that this bickering is presently causing is making me seriously consider just sitting out the election entirely.

Either that or actively voting for McCain and enjoying the destruction of what’s left of our country! I hope that whomever wins this mess (the Democratic nomination) can figure out a way to undo the damage, but I am not holding my breath based on the postings and comments I see on this site and others.

]]> By: memyself http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140974 memyself Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:33:17 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140974 The polls have been all over the place. I like pollster.com. They use weighted statistics that take into account sample size and confidence intervals (that makes them better than pure averages). So here's the big picture, showing Clinton up by about 7% per the weighted average, but the data points in the past few weeks indicate how noisy and volatile the situation is. http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php The polls have been all over the place. I like pollster.com. They use weighted statistics that take into account sample size and confidence intervals (that makes them better than pure averages).

So here’s the big picture, showing Clinton up by about 7% per the weighted average, but the data points in the past few weeks indicate how noisy and volatile the situation is.

http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

]]> By: Dem on Dem Violence http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140973 Dem on Dem Violence Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:11:43 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140973 I just hope that you all can get on the same page in November. If we don't, we will have John McCain for 1 term and whatever wacko winger he choses as his VP for eight years, if the Republic lasts that long. I just hope that you all can get on the same page in November.
If we don’t, we will have John McCain for 1 term and whatever wacko winger he choses as his VP for eight years, if the Republic lasts that long.

]]> By: jeff http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140971 jeff Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:01:05 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140971 Can I just say, fuck Hillary. I never wanted to vote for her in the first place, and now I wish she and Bill would end the agony and shuffle off to the dustbin of history already. Good riddance. Can I just say, fuck Hillary. I never wanted to vote for her in the first place, and now I wish she and Bill would end the agony and shuffle off to the dustbin of history already. Good riddance.

]]> By: joe http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140968 joe Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:29:34 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140968 polls, polls---everyone gots a poll!! http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-poll16apr16,0,794499.story polls, polls—everyone gots a poll!!

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-poll16apr16,0,794499.story

]]> By: joe http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140967 joe Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:16:35 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140967 Wendy - read the first post. My comment was directed to that author who stated he/she felt that OB would continue to hijack the election. recent slide? polls (if one wants to put their faith in them) show the recent "bitterness" vapor-lock hrc and tranditional media has resulted in virtually no movement - certainly within the MoE. What slide then? Losing OH? Ok he lost (doubt he would today after the clear nafta lies hrc has been caught in)... Losing TX - sorry he won. 5 weeks ago hrc was polling 20+ points in PA. Now the best hrc poll is +14. A 2nd grader can determine who is in the slide here. Not every post is in response to yours...i know, tragic to consider...but true. Wendy - read the first post. My comment was directed to that author who stated he/she felt that OB would continue to hijack the election.

recent slide? polls (if one wants to put their faith in them) show the recent “bitterness” vapor-lock hrc and tranditional media has resulted in virtually no movement - certainly within the MoE. What slide then? Losing OH? Ok he lost (doubt he would today after the clear nafta lies hrc has been caught in)… Losing TX - sorry he won. 5 weeks ago hrc was polling 20+ points in PA. Now the best hrc poll is +14. A 2nd grader can determine who is in the slide here.

Not every post is in response to yours…i know, tragic to consider…but true.

]]> By: Wendy Whinner http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140966 Wendy Whinner Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:07:52 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140966 Joe Joe Joe: I was simply stating an historical fact that no one has won the presidency since 1960 wihout winning OH, MO, KY & TN. I was not saying it is fair to "hijack" the nomination from Obama on that basis. BUT Obama can not win the nomination either because he has insufficient delegates (though he has more than Hillary). So since he does not have the nomination, it can't be hijacked from him buddy. Recent slide by Obama will be very very troubling to the super -delegates. If not, they all would have thrown their support already. Think about that for a moment! And let it sink in to your mind.....there is going to be a fight and a nasty one. It already started. Joe Joe Joe:

I was simply stating an historical fact that no one has won the presidency since 1960 wihout winning OH, MO, KY & TN.

I was not saying it is fair to “hijack” the nomination from Obama on that basis. BUT Obama can not win the nomination either because he has insufficient delegates (though he has more than Hillary). So since he does not have the nomination, it can’t be hijacked from him buddy.

Recent slide by Obama will be very very troubling to the super -delegates. If not, they all would have thrown their support already. Think about that for a moment! And let it sink in to your mind…..there is going to be a fight and a nasty one. It already started.

]]> By: joe http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140963 joe Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:49:30 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140963 now those are some entertaining comments... shall we set the goalposts at hrc winning KY by 36 points? deal? Hijack the nomination? by what means? oh the means of actually winning the most states/delegates/primaries/caucuses/popular vote? yep - highway robbery!! do you actually believe OB to have a chance in a state where an elected official refers to a black man only 4 years younger than himself as "boy"? Can't beat mccain in the general? you can cherry-pick polls all day long. I can probably find a poll that has OB ahead in PA. Anything less than a 20 point win by hrc equals a loss. CQ estimated today that the best hrc can gain is 3 delegates in PA. Gains three delegates and clutches pearls that election is being hijacked! too funny! she'll cry victim even when she wins a state....pathetic. now those are some entertaining comments…

shall we set the goalposts at hrc winning KY by 36 points? deal?

Hijack the nomination? by what means? oh the means of actually winning the most states/delegates/primaries/caucuses/popular vote? yep - highway robbery!!

do you actually believe OB to have a chance in a state where an elected official refers to a black man only 4 years younger than himself as “boy”?

Can’t beat mccain in the general? you can cherry-pick polls all day long. I can probably find a poll that has OB ahead in PA. Anything less than a 20 point win by hrc equals a loss. CQ estimated today that the best hrc can gain is 3 delegates in PA. Gains three delegates and clutches pearls that election is being hijacked! too funny! she’ll cry victim even when she wins a state….pathetic.

]]> By: Wendy Whinner http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140961 Wendy Whinner Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:25:54 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140961 w naz : I was talking about the general election in November. Obama (vs. McCain) is polling very poorly in those 4 key states when compared to Clinton (vs. McCain). The Dem dilemma is how do we move Obama aside because he can't beat McCain in the general. w naz :

I was talking about the general election in November. Obama (vs. McCain) is polling very poorly in those 4 key states when compared to Clinton (vs. McCain).

The Dem dilemma is how do we move Obama aside because he can’t beat McCain in the general.

]]> By: white_n_az http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140960 white_n_az Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:05:03 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140960 actually, I think a double digit victory in PA by Hillary has been pretty much as expected. WV and KY are a virtual lock for Hillary as well. The battlegrounds are NC which Obama has a 10 point lead and IN where Hillary is listed as up by 16. A 16 point loss in Indiana would be a devastating loss for Obama...he himself <a href="http://www.comcast.net/news/articles/politics/2008/04/12/Obama.Indiana/" rel="nofollow">called Indiana the tiebreaker</a> Granted, he said a number of dumb things the past 2 weeks but calling Indiana the tiebreaker was the worst of them if he loses Indiana by double digits. actually, I think a double digit victory in PA by Hillary has been pretty much as expected.

WV and KY are a virtual lock for Hillary as well.

The battlegrounds are NC which Obama has a 10 point lead and IN where Hillary is listed as up by 16. A 16 point loss in Indiana would be a devastating loss for Obama…he himself called Indiana the tiebreaker

Granted, he said a number of dumb things the past 2 weeks but calling Indiana the tiebreaker was the worst of them if he loses Indiana by double digits.

]]> By: Wendy Whinner http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140958 Wendy Whinner Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:43:23 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140958 I read somewhere that since 1960, every prez winner in the general election won OH, MO, KY & TN. I don't know if this nugget is true but I also read that Obama was polling weaker in those states than Hillary. I read somewhere that since 1960, every prez winner in the general election won OH, MO, KY & TN. I don’t know if this nugget is true but I also read that Obama was polling weaker in those states than Hillary.

]]> By: Pat Johnson http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/15/14/35/new-susa-poll/#comment-140956 Pat Johnson Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:04:23 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24481#comment-140956 I am getting pretty discouraged about now. I think Obama is still going to hijack the nomination one way or the other. I also think that his supporters are intimidating others and not above threatening anyone who does not get onboard. Particularly superdelegates. I am a Hillary supporter but the MSM and many of the liberal blogs have made it their mission to seal her defeat and it is pretty disheartening. Come November, should he be the nominee, I cannot honestly say I would have the smallest amount of enthusiasm to cast a vote for him. Although I would never vote for McCain I may just leave the top of the ticket unchecked since I believe, and hopefully I am wrong, that Obama and Co. will have taken this nomination out of the hands of the electorate with MI an FL being sacrificed. As of today I feel pretty much defeated. I am getting pretty discouraged about now. I think Obama is still going to hijack the nomination one way or the other. I also think that his supporters are intimidating others and not above threatening anyone who does not get onboard. Particularly superdelegates. I am a Hillary supporter but the MSM and many of the liberal blogs have made it their mission to seal her defeat and it is pretty disheartening. Come November, should he be the nominee, I cannot honestly say I would have the smallest amount of enthusiasm to cast a vote for him. Although I would never vote for McCain I may just leave the top of the ticket unchecked since I believe, and hopefully I am wrong, that Obama and Co. will have taken this nomination out of the hands of the electorate with MI an FL being sacrificed. As of today I feel pretty much defeated.

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