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		<title>By: white_n_az</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141159</link>
		<dc:creator>white_n_az</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey - it's passover...you have to keep the faith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey - it&#8217;s passover&#8230;you have to keep the faith</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141154</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see I spoke too soon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see I spoke too soon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: white_n_az</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141140</link>
		<dc:creator>white_n_az</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fahey @ 9
Hillary didn't ask the question...Stephanopolous did. You need to take up your argument with him or just sit back and wait for KO's special comment.

The pathetic thing about your argument is that while the Hillary bashing by the mainstream media has been continuous, you didn't care because your guy was gaining a benefit.

Now that your guy gets roughed up - it's a travesty...right

Considering that there hadn't been a debate or hard news conference since the Wright issue and 'Bitter gaffe' - it seemed only reasonable that questions were coming down those pipes. The 53 minutes was largely dominated by Obama fumbling/stumbling over his words trying to get a footing on these topics.

When they point blanked Hillary, she confessed her sin, it was done and dispensed with quickly. Everyone's got to make up their own mind how well their candidate played in Scranton...

steveeboy @ 8 (and I'm not sure why I am bothering...)

Obama sees no high road, takes no high road but only saps who want to believe in this fictitious 'politics of hope' missed the fact that he had no problem sliming her with the pardons/commutations that Bill gave which she had nothing to do with. Politics of hope indeed.

I personally don't have an axe to grind with Obama on the issue of Bill Ayers nor do I have an axe on Bill Clintons pardons and neither have anything to do with this election at all. The fact that Stephanopolous asked this useless question is a valid complaint. Hillary actually represents NY and does have an axe to grind on terrorism because of this and while I wish she had let the issue pass without comment but she didn't...deal with it. Curious that you justify Obama taking right wing talking points &lt;i&gt; Obama responded–after she kept fucking with him, that she would be attacked just the same because pardons were issued to convicted weathermen by the Clinton admin. &lt;/i&gt;

Just sayin'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fahey @ 9<br />
Hillary didn&#8217;t ask the question&#8230;Stephanopolous did. You need to take up your argument with him or just sit back and wait for KO&#8217;s special comment.</p>
<p>The pathetic thing about your argument is that while the Hillary bashing by the mainstream media has been continuous, you didn&#8217;t care because your guy was gaining a benefit.</p>
<p>Now that your guy gets roughed up - it&#8217;s a travesty&#8230;right</p>
<p>Considering that there hadn&#8217;t been a debate or hard news conference since the Wright issue and &#8216;Bitter gaffe&#8217; - it seemed only reasonable that questions were coming down those pipes. The 53 minutes was largely dominated by Obama fumbling/stumbling over his words trying to get a footing on these topics.</p>
<p>When they point blanked Hillary, she confessed her sin, it was done and dispensed with quickly. Everyone&#8217;s got to make up their own mind how well their candidate played in Scranton&#8230;</p>
<p>steveeboy @ 8 (and I&#8217;m not sure why I am bothering&#8230;)</p>
<p>Obama sees no high road, takes no high road but only saps who want to believe in this fictitious &#8216;politics of hope&#8217; missed the fact that he had no problem sliming her with the pardons/commutations that Bill gave which she had nothing to do with. Politics of hope indeed.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t have an axe to grind with Obama on the issue of Bill Ayers nor do I have an axe on Bill Clintons pardons and neither have anything to do with this election at all. The fact that Stephanopolous asked this useless question is a valid complaint. Hillary actually represents NY and does have an axe to grind on terrorism because of this and while I wish she had let the issue pass without comment but she didn&#8217;t&#8230;deal with it. Curious that you justify Obama taking right wing talking points <i> Obama responded–after she kept fucking with him, that she would be attacked just the same because pardons were issued to convicted weathermen by the Clinton admin. </i></p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: brendancalling</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141102</link>
		<dc:creator>brendancalling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"homosapien pseudo mating behavior illicit narcotics."

Sweet: we have a hydrocephalic commenting here now.  Gobble gooble hey, Rogerveritas! One of us! One of us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;homosapien pseudo mating behavior illicit narcotics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sweet: we have a hydrocephalic commenting here now.  Gobble gooble hey, Rogerveritas! One of us! One of us!</p>
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		<title>By: RogerVeritas</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141098</link>
		<dc:creator>RogerVeritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came here looking for the Larry Sinclair Link you used to have. I know it involved some Cocaine use by Barak Obama, strange claims, homosapien pseudo mating behavior illicit narcotics.

I was curious about how well this little brush fire had been 
white washed by barakobama.com. Anywho you can be updated at Oprahs Site. Read it and Scream. 

Mr. Sinclair's lawsuit has been certified by a Federal Judge and there appears also an ancillary murder involving the Gay choirmaster of the notorious Trinity Church. 

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/48373

Obama's alleged salacious night on the town could very well top Mr. Spitzer's, Ted Haggard's, Jimmy Swaggarts, Jim Bakkers, and Gary Harts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came here looking for the Larry Sinclair Link you used to have. I know it involved some Cocaine use by Barak Obama, strange claims, homosapien pseudo mating behavior illicit narcotics.</p>
<p>I was curious about how well this little brush fire had been<br />
white washed by barakobama.com. Anywho you can be updated at Oprahs Site. Read it and Scream. </p>
<p>Mr. Sinclair&#8217;s lawsuit has been certified by a Federal Judge and there appears also an ancillary murder involving the Gay choirmaster of the notorious Trinity Church. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/48373" rel="nofollow">http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/48373</a></p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s alleged salacious night on the town could very well top Mr. Spitzer&#8217;s, Ted Haggard&#8217;s, Jimmy Swaggarts, Jim Bakkers, and Gary Harts.</p>
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		<title>By: steveeboy</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141080</link>
		<dc:creator>steveeboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, but she was channeling hannity, and she kept sticking the knife in--she is the one that brought up farrakhan, kept mentioning stuff about wright, ayers, etc.

She even had the temerity to claim that ayers bragged about his activities "on 9/11" and thus tried to be as inflammatory as possible --even though his comments were published in the NYT that morning BEFORE the attacks occurred.

Susie has been claiming for weeks that using right-wing talking points is totally out of bounds, but I guess the rules are different for oppressed rich white former first lady senators.

Obama tried to take the high-road numerous times by asking why the focus was on nonsense that he had answered already, but then he finally had to respond.  

you cannot--if HRC is going to claim that she has more experience based on her "serving" in the Clinton Administration, try to distance her from it when Clinton Administration actions are relevant.

Hillary  claimed that obama will be attacked for weather underground "associations" 40 years after the fact and thus is a weaker candidate in a general.

Obama responded--after she kept fucking with him,  that she would be attacked just the same because pardons were issued to convicted weathermen by the Clinton admin.

that is hardly a cheap shot.

If her experience is based on her husband's administration, then all that is fair game. 
--and pardons given to convicted terrorists are way more relevant than serving on a board or attending a fundraiser.

What about those Puerto Rican terrorists they pardoned to get some votes in New York, think Hannity et al aren't going to have fun with that one?

I hope to god olbermann takes those clowns to task, they deserve it, 53 minutes without a policy question is a problem that everyone should be up in arms about.

we could have had a good debate and settled some real issues.  instead we got shit and now you're whining about more double standards and attacking obama people in lieu of discussing how this can be used to work the refs some once the general election debates start up--regardless of who dem candidate happens to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, but she was channeling hannity, and she kept sticking the knife in&#8211;she is the one that brought up farrakhan, kept mentioning stuff about wright, ayers, etc.</p>
<p>She even had the temerity to claim that ayers bragged about his activities &#8220;on 9/11&#8243; and thus tried to be as inflammatory as possible &#8211;even though his comments were published in the NYT that morning BEFORE the attacks occurred.</p>
<p>Susie has been claiming for weeks that using right-wing talking points is totally out of bounds, but I guess the rules are different for oppressed rich white former first lady senators.</p>
<p>Obama tried to take the high-road numerous times by asking why the focus was on nonsense that he had answered already, but then he finally had to respond.  </p>
<p>you cannot&#8211;if HRC is going to claim that she has more experience based on her &#8220;serving&#8221; in the Clinton Administration, try to distance her from it when Clinton Administration actions are relevant.</p>
<p>Hillary  claimed that obama will be attacked for weather underground &#8220;associations&#8221; 40 years after the fact and thus is a weaker candidate in a general.</p>
<p>Obama responded&#8211;after she kept fucking with him,  that she would be attacked just the same because pardons were issued to convicted weathermen by the Clinton admin.</p>
<p>that is hardly a cheap shot.</p>
<p>If her experience is based on her husband&#8217;s administration, then all that is fair game.<br />
&#8211;and pardons given to convicted terrorists are way more relevant than serving on a board or attending a fundraiser.</p>
<p>What about those Puerto Rican terrorists they pardoned to get some votes in New York, think Hannity et al aren&#8217;t going to have fun with that one?</p>
<p>I hope to god olbermann takes those clowns to task, they deserve it, 53 minutes without a policy question is a problem that everyone should be up in arms about.</p>
<p>we could have had a good debate and settled some real issues.  instead we got shit and now you&#8217;re whining about more double standards and attacking obama people in lieu of discussing how this can be used to work the refs some once the general election debates start up&#8211;regardless of who dem candidate happens to be.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141076</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The problem was that Hillary agreed with and piled on stupid question after stupid question. Maybe you think it’s good when Clinton starts channeling Sean Hannity, but I think it’s appalling.&lt;/i&gt;

If I believed you had said something similar when Russert had everyone ganging up on Clinton, I might take your current criticism seriously.

The candidates are running against each other, ffs.  Of course they're going to take shots when openings are presented.  But Obama's treatment &lt;i&gt;by the press&lt;/i&gt; last night is the important issue; I should hope that Obama supporters realize that this is how they can expect him to be treated in the general, and that he's going to have to learn how to deal with this treatment if he wants to beat McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The problem was that Hillary agreed with and piled on stupid question after stupid question. Maybe you think it’s good when Clinton starts channeling Sean Hannity, but I think it’s appalling.</i></p>
<p>If I believed you had said something similar when Russert had everyone ganging up on Clinton, I might take your current criticism seriously.</p>
<p>The candidates are running against each other, ffs.  Of course they&#8217;re going to take shots when openings are presented.  But Obama&#8217;s treatment <i>by the press</i> last night is the important issue; I should hope that Obama supporters realize that this is how they can expect him to be treated in the general, and that he&#8217;s going to have to learn how to deal with this treatment if he wants to beat McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: white_n_az</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141073</link>
		<dc:creator>white_n_az</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fahey @ 3
Clinton channeling Hannity? Ignoring the fact that you are making the loaded statement that infers right wing attack and that she cannot make her own, unaided arguments, for her not to repeated the same things that she's been saying on the campaign trail would have made her campaign trail speeches seem hollow.

But it's not like Obama didn't get his own cheap shots in himself...the reference to the 2 pardons which Hillary had nothing to do with was a rather classless touch...but hey, who's keeping score.

votermom @ 4

objective summary...no such thing unless you are a Kool-Aid drinker in which case, MSNBC is home. No doubt that Keith Olbermann will have a special comment for Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous (sp?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fahey @ 3<br />
Clinton channeling Hannity? Ignoring the fact that you are making the loaded statement that infers right wing attack and that she cannot make her own, unaided arguments, for her not to repeated the same things that she&#8217;s been saying on the campaign trail would have made her campaign trail speeches seem hollow.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not like Obama didn&#8217;t get his own cheap shots in himself&#8230;the reference to the 2 pardons which Hillary had nothing to do with was a rather classless touch&#8230;but hey, who&#8217;s keeping score.</p>
<p>votermom @ 4</p>
<p>objective summary&#8230;no such thing unless you are a Kool-Aid drinker in which case, MSNBC is home. No doubt that Keith Olbermann will have a special comment for Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous (sp?)</p>
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		<title>By: Soullite</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141071</link>
		<dc:creator>Soullite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atrios in no way said 'Obama had this coming' like susie mandrake just did.

 Christ, let your hatred of everyone who supports Obama subside for 5 minutes. NONE of us defended Tim Russert's or Chris Mathew's behavior as 'being because she was the front runner', we defended the fact that ALL of the other candidates piled on her because of that. They were supposed to, and most of us who supported other people were angry Hillary was getting all the debate time. Yet more revisionist history from the Hillary Blogosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atrios in no way said &#8216;Obama had this coming&#8217; like susie mandrake just did.</p>
<p> Christ, let your hatred of everyone who supports Obama subside for 5 minutes. NONE of us defended Tim Russert&#8217;s or Chris Mathew&#8217;s behavior as &#8216;being because she was the front runner&#8217;, we defended the fact that ALL of the other candidates piled on her because of that. They were supposed to, and most of us who supported other people were angry Hillary was getting all the debate time. Yet more revisionist history from the Hillary Blogosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: votermom</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141069</link>
		<dc:creator>votermom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't watch. Is there anywhere that has an objective  summary of how it went?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t watch. Is there anywhere that has an objective  summary of how it went?</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141066</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, where have all the brand-new posters who loved Obama and hated you gone?  I was expecting them to have left many posts this morning castigating you for your various sins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, where have all the brand-new posters who loved Obama and hated you gone?  I was expecting them to have left many posts this morning castigating you for your various sins.</p>
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		<title>By: white_n_az</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/17/07/02/wrapup/#comment-141062</link>
		<dc:creator>white_n_az</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knew?

Where were these netroots all this time when Hillary was getting treated unfairly? I guess it only matters when it's their guy getting hammered.

Well, Hillary got hammered on Tuzla last night and demonstrated far greater humility and dismissed the question in a relatively short amount of time.

Blogosphere is almost entirely in the tank for Obama...which is fine but I'm sorry that the press mistreatment didn't just start last night and is a real good indication of what the layout will be if Obama is the nominee...and in my eyes, he performed poorly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knew?</p>
<p>Where were these netroots all this time when Hillary was getting treated unfairly? I guess it only matters when it&#8217;s their guy getting hammered.</p>
<p>Well, Hillary got hammered on Tuzla last night and demonstrated far greater humility and dismissed the question in a relatively short amount of time.</p>
<p>Blogosphere is almost entirely in the tank for Obama&#8230;which is fine but I&#8217;m sorry that the press mistreatment didn&#8217;t just start last night and is a real good indication of what the layout will be if Obama is the nominee&#8230;and in my eyes, he performed poorly.</p>
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