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		<title>By: Susie</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/21/21/14/fun-with-numbers/#comment-141681</link>
		<dc:creator>Susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is this, "West Side Story"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this, &#8220;West Side Story&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Mithras</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/21/21/14/fun-with-numbers/#comment-141671</link>
		<dc:creator>Mithras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just glad this shit is out in the open now. Bring it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just glad this shit is out in the open now. Bring it.</p>
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		<title>By: k</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/21/21/14/fun-with-numbers/#comment-141584</link>
		<dc:creator>k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Issues? We don't need no stinking issues! We have polls, and we can divide the fuck out of people so they will never trust anyone again.
Welcome to Republicania, you assholes.
(It's nice coming late and knowing no one will read what I've written.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Issues? We don&#8217;t need no stinking issues! We have polls, and we can divide the fuck out of people so they will never trust anyone again.<br />
Welcome to Republicania, you assholes.<br />
(It&#8217;s nice coming late and knowing no one will read what I&#8217;ve written.)</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fishtown will never be anything more than......blue collar &#38; beer drinking phillies fans  
the urban ethnics hardly sounds diverse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fishtown will never be anything more than&#8230;&#8230;blue collar &amp; beer drinking phillies fans<br />
the urban ethnics hardly sounds diverse</p>
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		<title>By: steveeboy</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/21/21/14/fun-with-numbers/#comment-141549</link>
		<dc:creator>steveeboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>again,

In my mind the term "creative class" here in fishtown means artists, internet people, skilled craftsmen and women--as opposed to more conventional union laborers, and entrepreneurs that cater to hipsters and gentrifiers.

These people are certainly voters, and they form the backbone of opposition to things like casinos. They are politically involved and they tend to work on issues to fix the neighborhood like tree planting, clean up, getting trash cans, etc.

To claim that they are only voting/registering now because "they found a trendy candidate" is pretty insulting and indicates ignorance on the part of the writer.

People like them were instrumental in getting philly's mayor--Mike Nutter-- elected.  The white ethnics of fishtown supported machine boss bob brady or voted for other rich white guy Tom Knox (because many of them would never, ever, vote for a black man.)

During the mayoral election I had the surreal experience of listening to a sound truck drive down the street playing a tape that said "vote for tom knox!"  as it drove past some of the local scamps added their own analysis/encouragement "'cause he's not a nigger!"

the longtime residents--
"urban ethnics" (but don't we call them "optimistic and joyful non-bitter voters" now?) are pretty much registered already, and they support the machine.  fishtown provides the votes that kill the candidacies of local reformers.

They tend to pull the lever for whomever the union tells them to vote for...

That is why if you were smart you would NOT run a registration drive here.

As I said, fishtown will go for Hillary I am sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>again,</p>
<p>In my mind the term &#8220;creative class&#8221; here in fishtown means artists, internet people, skilled craftsmen and women&#8211;as opposed to more conventional union laborers, and entrepreneurs that cater to hipsters and gentrifiers.</p>
<p>These people are certainly voters, and they form the backbone of opposition to things like casinos. They are politically involved and they tend to work on issues to fix the neighborhood like tree planting, clean up, getting trash cans, etc.</p>
<p>To claim that they are only voting/registering now because &#8220;they found a trendy candidate&#8221; is pretty insulting and indicates ignorance on the part of the writer.</p>
<p>People like them were instrumental in getting philly&#8217;s mayor&#8211;Mike Nutter&#8211; elected.  The white ethnics of fishtown supported machine boss bob brady or voted for other rich white guy Tom Knox (because many of them would never, ever, vote for a black man.)</p>
<p>During the mayoral election I had the surreal experience of listening to a sound truck drive down the street playing a tape that said &#8220;vote for tom knox!&#8221;  as it drove past some of the local scamps added their own analysis/encouragement &#8220;&#8217;cause he&#8217;s not a nigger!&#8221;</p>
<p>the longtime residents&#8211;<br />
&#8220;urban ethnics&#8221; (but don&#8217;t we call them &#8220;optimistic and joyful non-bitter voters&#8221; now?) are pretty much registered already, and they support the machine.  fishtown provides the votes that kill the candidacies of local reformers.</p>
<p>They tend to pull the lever for whomever the union tells them to vote for&#8230;</p>
<p>That is why if you were smart you would NOT run a registration drive here.</p>
<p>As I said, fishtown will go for Hillary I am sure.</p>
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		<title>By: BooMan</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/21/21/14/fun-with-numbers/#comment-141520</link>
		<dc:creator>BooMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pretty funny.  I, uh, was responsible for finding the areas of Montgomery Co. that were 65% or better Democratic in 2004 and doing full on registration there, so I kind of know where the black people and hispanic people live.  

But the biggest bellylaugh of all was your characterization of Fishtown.  Next you'll tell me that Olney is Clinton territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty funny.  I, uh, was responsible for finding the areas of Montgomery Co. that were 65% or better Democratic in 2004 and doing full on registration there, so I kind of know where the black people and hispanic people live.  </p>
<p>But the biggest bellylaugh of all was your characterization of Fishtown.  Next you&#8217;ll tell me that Olney is Clinton territory.</p>
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		<title>By: sister of ye</title>
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		<dc:creator>sister of ye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is true that there was a huge spike in black and "creative class" areas versus others, could it be that white ethnics were already heavily registered to vote? Some bits of data make limited sense without others.

My grandparents were Polish immigrants, and in my family it was assumed that you'd register to vote as soon as you hit legal age, because that's what conscientious Americans did. Maybe it was too much trouble for the "creative class" to do the same until they found a trendy candidate.

That's even assuming the term "creative class" is anything more than a bunch of trendy BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is true that there was a huge spike in black and &#8220;creative class&#8221; areas versus others, could it be that white ethnics were already heavily registered to vote? Some bits of data make limited sense without others.</p>
<p>My grandparents were Polish immigrants, and in my family it was assumed that you&#8217;d register to vote as soon as you hit legal age, because that&#8217;s what conscientious Americans did. Maybe it was too much trouble for the &#8220;creative class&#8221; to do the same until they found a trendy candidate.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s even assuming the term &#8220;creative class&#8221; is anything more than a bunch of trendy BS.</p>
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		<title>By: steveeboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveeboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a "hipster" is NOT the same thing as a member of the so-called "creative class"

if you call a new homeowner in fishtown a hipster they will most likely get pretty offended.

nobody in their right mind would have run a general voter registration drive here if their goal was to elect a progressive reform-style candidate.

this neighborhood is where such candidates go to die.

"nigger" and "spic" are still in the general lexicon deployed by the optimistic and joyful residents of my 'hood, so I suspect obama will not do well here.

the fishtown local dem committee is totally part of the machine and runs on old school back scratching and patronage.

of course, they endorsed hillary.

I suspect, therefore, that hrc will do quite well here.

but we'll do what we can to prevent that from happening</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a &#8220;hipster&#8221; is NOT the same thing as a member of the so-called &#8220;creative class&#8221;</p>
<p>if you call a new homeowner in fishtown a hipster they will most likely get pretty offended.</p>
<p>nobody in their right mind would have run a general voter registration drive here if their goal was to elect a progressive reform-style candidate.</p>
<p>this neighborhood is where such candidates go to die.</p>
<p>&#8220;nigger&#8221; and &#8220;spic&#8221; are still in the general lexicon deployed by the optimistic and joyful residents of my &#8216;hood, so I suspect obama will not do well here.</p>
<p>the fishtown local dem committee is totally part of the machine and runs on old school back scratching and patronage.</p>
<p>of course, they endorsed hillary.</p>
<p>I suspect, therefore, that hrc will do quite well here.</p>
<p>but we&#8217;ll do what we can to prevent that from happening</p>
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