Comments on: Shrinking Democrats http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/25/10/55/shrinking-democrats/ Keeping a jaundiced eye on the corporate media. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:13:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: SW http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/25/10/55/shrinking-democrats/#comment-141982 SW Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:24:40 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24629#comment-141982 Joe Klein (or his editor) is an absolute moron. http://www.time.com/time/columnist/klein/article/0,9565,1025086,00.html vs. http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1734643,00.html The top link is from three years ago. This sloppiness speaks for itself. Joe Klein (or his editor) is an absolute moron.

http://www.time.com/time/columnist/klein/article/0,9565,1025086,00.html

vs.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1734643,00.html

The top link is from three years ago. This sloppiness speaks for itself.

]]> By: white_n_az http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/25/10/55/shrinking-democrats/#comment-141873 white_n_az Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:19:55 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24629#comment-141873 I think that Joke Line and Time in general and many other of the main stream media have been turning on Obama as they finally got fed up with Obama claiming the high road when they know how they've been dealing under the table. I think the first one was Obama's campaign sending the photo of Wright at Clinton's prayer breakfast. The biggie was saying on ABC that his campaign doesn't bring up the subject of Tuzla and then his campaign without provocation brings up Tuzla in a most despicable way. The negative talk, the negative ads, flipping Hillary off has just turned off the media big time and he's now reaping the seeds that he has sewn. I think that Joke Line and Time in general and many other of the main stream media have been turning on Obama as they finally got fed up with Obama claiming the high road when they know how they’ve been dealing under the table.

I think the first one was Obama’s campaign sending the photo of Wright at Clinton’s prayer breakfast. The biggie was saying on ABC that his campaign doesn’t bring up the subject of Tuzla and then his campaign without provocation brings up Tuzla in a most despicable way.

The negative talk, the negative ads, flipping Hillary off has just turned off the media big time and he’s now reaping the seeds that he has sewn.

]]> By: Salmo http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/25/10/55/shrinking-democrats/#comment-141859 Salmo Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:27:36 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24629#comment-141859 Klein's comments contain a kernel of truth - Obama will need more ferocity, more ruthless savagery, if he is to really change the way Washington does business. He will need to exhibit strong leadership if his administration is to purge the incompetent, obstructionist ideologues with which Bush appointees have packed the Federal bureaucracy for 8 years. This will not happen if he and his administrators are conflict adverse or willing to overlook past crimes. Think of what it will take to root out the Regency grads at the Department of Justice, as just one example. NPR is going to need someone to undo Tomlinson's work. Contracts will need to be broken, people will need to be fired, access will need to be systematically denied to the corrupting influences of K street, and a lot of comfortable people will need to be made uncomfortable. Charlie Gibson's performance at last week's debate will be nothing compared to what those currently practicing stenography inside the beltway will do when this starts. I would be comforted to see Obama demonstrate some of Clinton's political skills for this kind of fight. Maybe Obama is pulling his punches so as to minimally offend Clinton's base during the current struggle. He wants to win gracefully. He wants the women who identify so closely with Hillary not to transfer their pain at her loss to anger at him. If so, he would do well to showcase an attack on McCain. As the presumptive nominee, whose cash reserves are adequate to expand the scope of the conflict, he needs to get his game face on. Against McCain and the Republicans, there must be no such diffidence. McCain's record and current platform outlines are a target rich environment. If Obama can't make mincemeat with those opportunities, then we have a problem. Klein’s comments contain a kernel of truth - Obama will need more ferocity, more ruthless savagery, if he is to really change the way Washington does business. He will need to exhibit strong leadership if his administration is to purge the incompetent, obstructionist ideologues with which Bush appointees have packed the Federal bureaucracy for 8 years. This will not happen if he and his administrators are conflict adverse or willing to overlook past crimes. Think of what it will take to root out the Regency grads at the Department of Justice, as just one example. NPR is going to need someone to undo Tomlinson’s work. Contracts will need to be broken, people will need to be fired, access will need to be systematically denied to the corrupting influences of K street, and a lot of comfortable people will need to be made uncomfortable. Charlie Gibson’s performance at last week’s debate will be nothing compared to what those currently practicing stenography inside the beltway will do when this starts. I would be comforted to see Obama demonstrate some of Clinton’s political skills for this kind of fight.

Maybe Obama is pulling his punches so as to minimally offend Clinton’s base during the current struggle. He wants to win gracefully. He wants the women who identify so closely with Hillary not to transfer their pain at her loss to anger at him. If so, he would do well to showcase an attack on McCain. As the presumptive nominee, whose cash reserves are adequate to expand the scope of the conflict, he needs to get his game face on. Against McCain and the Republicans, there must be no such diffidence. McCain’s record and current platform outlines are a target rich environment. If Obama can’t make mincemeat with those opportunities, then we have a problem.

]]> By: James Guglielmino http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/25/10/55/shrinking-democrats/#comment-141826 James Guglielmino Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:01:16 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24629#comment-141826 I guess it depends on what you mean by "is to figure out how to maneuver his way through the gutter. " I think campaign ads that lie are disgusting. I do not believe that a candidate needs to use them. A candidate DOES need to know how to effectively deal with the kinds of low life ads that were used against John Kerry and use them to his/her advantage. Kerry never dealt with the odious Lying Swift Boat Veterans. (Actually, had he referred to them as exactly that every single time he spoke, it would have served him far, FAR better than the totally ineffective approach he used) I do not think one can generally use reason against such ads. Lying is a funny thing. First you tell only a little lie. Then it becomes a tool. Look at the state of our nation right now and understand that the fish rots from the head. Almost everyone in power abuses it and almost everyone in authority seems to lie. Wonder where that comes from? I don't The fish rots from the head. JGug I guess it depends on what you mean by “is to figure out how to maneuver his way through the gutter. ” I think campaign ads that lie are disgusting. I do not believe that a candidate needs to use them. A candidate DOES need to know how to effectively deal with the kinds of low life ads that were used against John Kerry and use them to his/her advantage. Kerry never dealt with the odious Lying Swift Boat Veterans. (Actually, had he referred to them as exactly that every single time he spoke, it would have served him far, FAR better than the totally ineffective approach he used) I do not think one can generally use reason against such ads.
Lying is a funny thing. First you tell only a little lie. Then it becomes a tool. Look at the state of our nation right now and understand that the fish rots from the head. Almost everyone in power abuses it and almost everyone in authority seems to lie. Wonder where that comes from? I don’t The fish rots from the head.
JGug

]]> By: JKFriz http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/25/10/55/shrinking-democrats/#comment-141824 JKFriz Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:39:54 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24629#comment-141824 "A certain familiarity with life as it is lived by normal Americans is useful" I'm sorry - I forget which candidate has spent her whole career in a legislative bubble, and which one has significant experience with his feet on the ground out in Chicago? Piss off, Joe Klein. I'm sorry that the wagon you've hitched to the Clinton myth is currently on fire. “A certain familiarity with life as it is lived by normal Americans is useful”

I’m sorry - I forget which candidate has spent her whole career in a legislative bubble, and which one has significant experience with his feet on the ground out in Chicago? Piss off, Joe Klein. I’m sorry that the wagon you’ve hitched to the Clinton myth is currently on fire.

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