rather interesting…

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Another WTF moment: Virginia Ray says re: Obama

“Maybe we don’t want to vote for another rich snob who represents the ruling class.”

Which is why you’re voting for Hillary??? She’s somehow less rich, or less snobby (whatever the hell that means), or doesn’t represent the ruling class (after BEING the ruling class for well over a decade)???

Ye Gods. The candidates are both of and for the ruling class in very substantial ways - why the hell else would the ruling class be funding them and giving them airtime and coverage in the media? My own belief is that Obama may be somewhat less bad on this, in that he’s not the DLC candidate, and actually has associated with a guy like Rev Wright, who speaks uncomfortable truths and walks the walk in supporting the downtrodden. Others feel differently about this. God bless us one and all!

If Democrats were never going to let a black man win, that should have been made clear at the outset so some of us could switch our party affiliation away from such a blatantly racist party.

Why should we let anybody win??? They have to prove themselves. I am free up to the teeth with all this race baiting. Obama is proving himself to be a weak candidate… his problem not racism.

The Clinton’s are racists meme came from the South Carolina primary campaign and had nothing to do with Louis Farrakhan. I don’t recall hearing Hillary say anything about Farrakhan but I’ll take your word that she said something about him. One thing is certain and Obama understands this as well…there’s no way to hold up Farrakhan as someone who is working to heal the rift between the races and that is why Obama distances himself from Farrakhan.

I don’t know about any relationship between Obama and Farrakhan but there is a circle that includes Rezko, Wright and the Nation of Islam which hopefully doesn’t intersect with Obama as the media would be relentless on the point.

“However, we can’t do that without raising it, without climbing under and around the ugliness and seeing it for what it is. And too often, we shun the people who talk about it, especially when they are not “appropriate” bringers of the discussion.”

i hope more bloggers will follow in your footsteps.

Clinton sought and used the endorsement of Governor Rendell who publicly lauded Farrakhan and the nation of Islam for “what they stand for” and has never said anything to contradict this. Clinton has refused to comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA

Then Clinton lambastes Obama for his “relationship” with Farrakhan.

The only “relationship” they have that is even close to less tenuous than her own is that they both have black skin.

That was a pretty damn clear cut a “wink-wink-nudge-nudge … don’t vote for the scary black man (oooh and maybe Muslim)” moment .

Can the discussion be any more stupid?

My personal belief is that the Clinton’s did not just become racists…it was Obama’s campaign desire to have them painted that way to maximize the black vote in SC which effectively split the party. Clyburn is making sure the split becomes permanent to the point that if Obama wins the nomination, he is certain to lose in November. It’s pathetic when the black candidate and black surrogates show no inclination to heal the party…rather they continue the path of stupidity because they believe it works for them.

By the way MeMyself…Ayers was never convicted because the charges were dismissed on charges prosecutor misconduct, perhaps owing to the fact that daddy Ayers was chairman of Commonwealth Edison (not an insignificant company). While I like you, don’t have any trouble with the commutations/pardons by WJC of the WU.

I don’t know what constitutes ‘low association’ with Ayers…they acknowledged each other in their respective books, Ayers has contributed to Obama’s political campaigns in the past and in fact, the first official event of Obama’s Illinois Senate campaign was in Ayers living room. While I am not overly bothered by this information, be certain that there will be wall to wall inspection of this if he is the nominee as McCain has already started raising it and the right wingers will never let this go.

When you get to bad schools… you are no longer talking race… you are talking poor people. When you get to bad health care, you are talking most of us including much of the the middle class.

I watched the Rev Wright interview last night. I find black leaders like him destructive… they have to keep going back to the days before civil rights… They don’t acknowledge progress. This is hard to grasp when you see our middle class suburbs and schools housing more and more middle class blacks. When you turn on the teevee and there are blacks everywhere.

I think that white people have to acknowledge where the problems still remain and change them. And they have to demand that reverse racists like Wright change their tone. These people do not advance our society. They carve a nitch of hatred that is no longer appropriate.

Hillary won’t. Obama Won’t. No Democrat will.

It is, frankly, disgusting that you’re arguing that we can never nominate a black person, and that Hillary should be nominated just because she’s white. Do you really think you can win a election after a message like that has been sent? You are not a progressive, because progressives do not rely on racist fears to get themselves elected, or as reasons why their candidate must be nominated.

If Democrats were never going to let a black man win, that should have been made clear at the outset so some of us could switch our party affiliation away from such a blatantly racist party.

Is that type of anti Bill Clinton rhetoric encouraged here? Bill’s pardons and commutations of convicted Weathermen and Falon terrorists are such old news. Of course Obama’s low level association with someone never convicted of any crime is much, much worse.

Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of the FALN, a violent Puerto Rican nationalist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States. The FALN was responsible for 6 deaths and the permanent maiming of dozens of others, including law enforcement officials.

On Clinton’s last day in office Linda Sue Evans and Susan Rosenberg were pardoned. They are Weather Underground members who were imprisoned on weapons and explosives charges.

There is a good reason that we are seeing reports of more and more Clinton insiders decrying these tactics and either abandoning her campaign outright or at the very least beginning to funnel their donations to Obama.

You should look to the Ron Paul results to scry the entrails.