Comments on: Blowback Ahead http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/ Keeping a jaundiced eye on the corporate media. Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:14:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Macjazz http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-142033 Macjazz Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:56:01 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-142033 Read the thread K, I've made this point repeatedly. Read the thread K, I’ve made this point repeatedly.

]]> By: k http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-142032 k Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:30:18 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-142032 Why didn't you say that in the first place? Why didn’t you say that in the first place?

]]> By: Macjazz http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-141998 Macjazz Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:13:05 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-141998 "“Elite” and “elitist” are two different things ..." Which changes the thrust of what I said how? The two candidates are nearly identical in their voting records, which is by far the largest part of what matters about them as politicans. Splitting hairs in an effort to catapult the spin doesn't give give the "elitist " argument any more weight. It's still empty. As ebonkrieg aptly puts it, "The differences between your candidates and their supporters is a matter of degree. The difference between a democratic administration and a republican administration is the TRUE issue." Whup! There it is! The elitist debating society thanks you for your support. ““Elite” and “elitist” are two different things …”

Which changes the thrust of what I said how? The two candidates are nearly identical in their voting records, which is by far the largest part of what matters about them as politicans. Splitting hairs in an effort to catapult the spin doesn’t give give the “elitist ” argument any more weight. It’s still empty. As ebonkrieg aptly puts it, “The differences between your candidates and their supporters is a matter of degree. The difference between a democratic administration and a republican administration is the TRUE issue.” Whup! There it is!

The elitist debating society thanks you for your support.

]]> By: zuzu http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-141990 zuzu Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:19:08 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-141990 "Elite" and "elitist" are two different things, Macjazz. There's certainly overlap, but one can be a member of the elite without being elitist, and one can be elitist without being a member of the elite. So please stop using them interchangeably. The English language thanks you for your support. “Elite” and “elitist” are two different things, Macjazz. There’s certainly overlap, but one can be a member of the elite without being elitist, and one can be elitist without being a member of the elite.

So please stop using them interchangeably. The English language thanks you for your support.

]]> By: Macjazz http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-141980 Macjazz Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:34:18 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-141980 ebonkrieg - Yep. True, dat. ebonkrieg - Yep. True, dat.

]]> By: ebonkrieg http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-141973 ebonkrieg Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:00:23 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-141973 DEmocrats! You are being handed the 2008 presidency and yet you quibble and whine like spoiled brats. The differences between your candidates and their supporters is a matter of degree. The difference between a democratic administration and a republican administration is the TRUE issue and if you are so obtuse not to see that another republican presidency is not in your economic interest than you will deserve what you will get. We have been ruled by a party whose economic self-interest is to take as much treasure as they can get away with and destroy what that they can't take. What we would perceive as failure is success to this group. Bottom line over people. This should be obvious to anyone who lived through the last eight years. That should be your focus. (a socialist bystander) DEmocrats! You are being handed the 2008 presidency and yet you quibble and whine like spoiled brats. The differences between your candidates and their supporters is a matter of degree. The difference between a democratic administration and a republican administration is the TRUE issue and if you are so obtuse not to see that another republican presidency is not in your economic interest than you will deserve what you will get. We have been ruled by a party whose economic self-interest is to take as much treasure as they can get away with and destroy what that they can’t take. What we would perceive as failure is success to this group. Bottom line over people. This should be obvious to anyone who lived through the last eight years.
That should be your focus.
(a socialist bystander)

]]> By: steveeboy http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-141965 steveeboy Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:25:56 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-141965 yep, hrc, the DLC candidate, is really the candidate of the working class. and of course, no white working class people are racist at all and they would NEVER, EVER refuse to vote for someone just cause they are black... and Reagan, whom the white working class dems voted for in big numbers, got those votes because he made their economic needs so important to his agenda... and HRC, who responded to concerns re: white working class southerners with a very helpful and empathetic "screw 'em," is NOT an elitist that made 109 million dollars since 2001 and she is just a poor oppressed white former first-lady senator. yep, hrc, the DLC candidate, is really the candidate of the working class.

and of course, no white working class people are racist at all and they would NEVER, EVER refuse to vote for someone just cause they are black…

and Reagan, whom the white working class dems voted for in big numbers, got those votes because he made their economic needs so important to his agenda…

and HRC, who responded to concerns re: white working class southerners with a very helpful and empathetic “screw ‘em,” is NOT an elitist that made 109 million dollars since 2001 and she is just a poor oppressed white former first-lady senator.

]]> By: Macjazz http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-141963 Macjazz Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:46:54 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-141963 Piss off, sister of ye, if you want to get all ad hominem and stuff. Don't go throwing around accusations about lying or gullibility so cavalierly. The central point I make is that Obama's no more elitist than Hillary, either in upbringing or in his political life - his voting record is, again, virtually identical to Hillary's. That point stands, and is not refuted by superfluous personal attacks. BTW - I grew up in a single parent household with a mom whose job was "professional". Figure that makes it easy? Think again. We didn't lack for anything, but we sure as hell weren't wealthy either, by a long shot. We lived at the edge of town near the black neighborhood (yes there was de facto segregation) and those are the guys I hung out with. Hmm ... any surprise I support Obama ...? Would I like to see a black president? Damn straight! I'd like to see a woman president too. Let's not blow it among ourselves with pointless infighting. Piss off, sister of ye, if you want to get all ad hominem and stuff. Don’t go throwing around accusations about lying or gullibility so cavalierly. The central point I make is that Obama’s no more elitist than Hillary, either in upbringing or in his political life - his voting record is, again, virtually identical to Hillary’s. That point stands, and is not refuted by superfluous personal attacks.

BTW - I grew up in a single parent household with a mom whose job was “professional”. Figure that makes it easy? Think again. We didn’t lack for anything, but we sure as hell weren’t wealthy either, by a long shot. We lived at the edge of town near the black neighborhood (yes there was de facto segregation) and those are the guys I hung out with. Hmm … any surprise I support Obama …?

Would I like to see a black president? Damn straight! I’d like to see a woman president too. Let’s not blow it among ourselves with pointless infighting.

]]> By: sister of ye http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-141959 sister of ye Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:01:00 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-141959 Oh, stow that "Obama grew up in a single household" crap. Obama's mom was "single" for only a few years after his dad took off. Her second husband was well off and they lived quite well in Indonesia. His mom was a professional woman as well, not a minimum wage laborer. In Hawaii he lived with a grandfather who was a businessman and a grandmother who was a bank vice president. I swear I don't know if Obama's supporters are liars or just supremely gullible. Oh, stow that “Obama grew up in a single household” crap. Obama’s mom was “single” for only a few years after his dad took off. Her second husband was well off and they lived quite well in Indonesia. His mom was a professional woman as well, not a minimum wage laborer. In Hawaii he lived with a grandfather who was a businessman and a grandmother who was a bank vice president.

I swear I don’t know if Obama’s supporters are liars or just supremely gullible.

]]> By: Macjazz http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-141958 Macjazz Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:11:41 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-141958 And I'm saying that on the record there's very, very, very little difference between the candidates, so what's being played out in the public sphere is empty spin about who's elitist or not. And that dog won't hunt. And I’m saying that on the record there’s very, very, very little difference between the candidates, so what’s being played out in the public sphere is empty spin about who’s elitist or not. And that dog won’t hunt.

]]> By: k http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-141956 k Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:41:41 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-141956 You're calling it spin. I'm calling it talking to basic needs. I'm not talking about how the candidates grew up. You are. I'm talking about what is being promised. You're talking about talking heads. Who's spinning now? You’re calling it spin. I’m calling it talking to basic needs.
I’m not talking about how the candidates grew up. You are.
I’m talking about what is being promised. You’re talking about talking heads.
Who’s spinning now?

]]> By: Macjazz http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-141953 Macjazz Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:29:48 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-141953 More B.S. about how Obama is "elitist" while Hillary is somehow just a shot 'n' a beer kinda gal. Spin. Barack grew up in a single parent household, not well to do, while Hillary grew up in relative wealth and is now very very wealthy indeed. But the political spin being promulgated is that Obama is elitist. Riiight. Anglachel (with whom I remain singularly unimpressed) can dress this up in talk about Truman and Stevenson, but spin is spin no matter how fancy the cloth into which it's woven. More B.S. about how Obama is “elitist” while Hillary is somehow just a shot ‘n’ a beer kinda gal. Spin.

Barack grew up in a single parent household, not well to do, while Hillary grew up in relative wealth and is now very very wealthy indeed. But the political spin being promulgated is that Obama is elitist. Riiight.

Anglachel (with whom I remain singularly unimpressed) can dress this up in talk about Truman and Stevenson, but spin is spin no matter how fancy the cloth into which it’s woven.

]]> By: k http://susiemadrak.com/2008/04/27/07/08/blowback-ahead/#comment-141949 k Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:15:45 +0000 http://susiemadrak.com/?p=24643#comment-141949 "they have consistently given their votes to the person who has focused on their explicit economic needs and their desire to be safe in an unsettled world while being respectful of them as people." Maslow's Heirarchy. I don't understand why I, as a Bunker/ Bubba/ Bitter voter, can have read this and can understand it and can apply it to this campaign and to the world at large, while those "above" me can't/don't. To me, this is the heart of the Democratic party. If the leaders don't want to make this their creed, they don't get squat from me. It's the heart and soul of your base, stupid. And thanks for linking to Anglachel. It's good to have a clear voice speak for me. “they have consistently given their votes to the person who has focused on their explicit economic needs and their desire to be safe in an unsettled world while being respectful of them as people.”

Maslow’s Heirarchy. I don’t understand why I, as a Bunker/ Bubba/ Bitter voter, can have read this and can understand it and can apply it to this campaign and to the world at large, while those “above” me can’t/don’t. To me, this is the heart of the Democratic party. If the leaders don’t want to make this their creed, they don’t get squat from me. It’s the heart and soul of your base, stupid.
And thanks for linking to Anglachel. It’s good to have a clear voice speak for me.

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