If you don’t want McCain in the White House may I suggest you learn the words to Kumbaya?

Just cuz I know them doesn’t mean that I have to sing along.

you have to remember that a LARGE number of HRC supporters started backing another candidate (and I presume a large number of Edwards supporters). We’re not adverse to voting for Obama but it’s clear that given all the choices, most of us supporting HRC didn’t find Obama to be their first or second choice and maybe not even their third or fourth choice. Kumbaya sing-a-longs weren’t even that much fun at camp.

As for our candidate having lost…not yet but it does seem to look that way I will grant.

As for attacking him…I would have sworn that this was politics but I understand that you are all swept up by the kumbaya thing…sorry, not for me. I forgot that you were so repulsed by all the attacks on Hillary.

As for the empty suit thing…well, it’s not like I’m the only one who feels that way. If you had attended Obama camp, you would have directed me to his web site.

white_n_az; Do you honestly mean what you wrote? Supreme Court appointees - no difference between Obama and McCain. Not just war in Iraq - but Iran (HRC’s preferred target), N. Korea, Syria, etc - no difference between Obama and McCain. Tax cuts for the rich - no difference between Obama and McCain. You’ve been paying attention but didn’t hear anything he said in 23 debates; didn’t read the reams of position papers on his web site; didn’t check his voting record.

Do you mean how he almost voted to affirm Roberts and even defended the Senators who did? Or how about continually voting for to fund the Iraq war? How about his conspicuous absence the day they voted on Lieberman/Kyl? Not exactly inspiring in my book but if you find something optimistic there…

I want to thank you and all your like-minded HRC followers for the next 4 years of war, racism, sexism, and assaults on the poor and the constitution. But hey, you’ve got principles. And most likely the resources to keep your principles from ruining your life. Not so sure we can say the same for the children of the working class who be dying in the sand, the poor who will do without welfare, education support and housing, and the women without the means to fly outside the US but still need an abortion.

First off, ignoring the fact that Susie and I have said that we will vote for BO if it comes down to it…I have little reason to believe that he will demonstrate any commitment to a progressive agenda.

And you have the gall to hide behind “principles”. Mock me all you want – I much prefer Obama but would never have bailed on Clinton had she won the nomination. It’s this simple: the Democratic candidate or McCain. If you honestly see no difference you’re beyond hope.

Who bailed? What are you smoking? As for being beyond hope…I thought the area was reserved for your candidate, but mock you all I want? I’ll wait until we lose what should have been a sure thing in November to mock you without mercy.

as i’ve pointed out before, obama, like clinton, has run an incredibly substantive and detailed campaign. when clinton ran for president in 1992 he ran on “health care reform” but it wasn’t until almost two years into his first term that anyone know any details about his plan. he didn’t form the commission to write it until after he came into office. both clinton and obama have detailed health, energy, tax, economic and foreign policy positions on their web sites. there really has not been a presidential campaign in modern history where you knew more about where both clinton and obama stand on a whole host of issues. and while the sound bites the media excerpts from obama are all just about hope, etc. his speeches as a whole have been remarkably substantive. especially when it comes to his foreign policy speeches. and that’s from a guy who is obsessed with middle eastern foreign policy wonkery and who thinks almost all politicians pronouncements about the region are vague and fuzzy. obama’s statements are refreshingly clear and detailed.

so yeah, whenever white_n_az pulls out the “empty suit” thing, i do think s/he isn’t paying attention. or at least s/he never bothered to look for detail in what obama says for his/herself. perhaps the worst way to learn about a candidate is to get all your information from web sites that are uniformly critical of him. you’d be a fool to try to learn about the substance of where clinton stands from an overtly anti-clinton site. likewise, i submit that talkleft and corrente are not good venues for learning where obama stands. if that’s where you get most of your info about the campaign, then no, you haven’t been paying close attention to what obama actually says. they just cherry pick the stuff that sounds bad.

“white_n_az; Do you honestly mean what you wrote? Supreme Court appointees - no difference between Obama and McCain. Not just war in Iraq - but Iran (HRC’s preferred target), N. Korea, Syria, etc - no difference between Obama and McCain. Tax cuts for the rich - no difference between Obama and McCain. You’ve been paying attention but didn’t hear anything he said in 23 debates; didn’t read the reams of position papers on his web site; didn’t check his voting record.”

Seriously. I can understand (sort of) preferring HRC to Obama, depending where one’s politics lie, but the notion that McCain is somehow a favorable alrternative to either Dem that wins is just … mindboggling. Wake up guys - there’s not that much difference on most issues between Obama and Clinton. There’s an gaping chasm on most issues between McCain and either of them.

Who gives a rat’s ass about either candidate’s personality … we only know their media images anyway. That stuff doesn’t matter. What matters is the policies they’ll impliment, and on that there are more similarities than differences. I don’t care about who they are. I’ve said for many years that I’d vote for the Marquis de Sade if he’d implement policies I favor, and I mean it. Or in the case of Obama and Clinton … oppose policies I despise (i.e. McCain’s) I’m astonished that anyone could get so caught up in meaningless personality issues that they ignore the clear truth that for people like us, McCain and the Republicans are the enemy.

I saw grotesque racism coming from the Clinton campaign, in fact directly out of the mouths of the candidate and her husband. I’ve seen grotesque sexism coming from the media and Obama supporters not directly associated with his campaign, but not from the candidate or from his wife.

I detest both - but hold the candidate who directly perpetuated the hatred as much, much more responsible. Bill and Hillary both crossed the line more than once. They are seasoned enough to know exactly what they were doing and what the results would be. If by some highly improbable set of coincidences it wasn’t intentional then their incompetence should sink the campaign. However, the fact that these instances tended to happen just as they most needed to boost turnout of the Archie Bunker set means that I will not be convinced of the repeated, incredibly convenient “coincidences”.

Most of OB’s supporters are pigs? hey now! I’m more than a pig…I’m a Chauvinist Pig. Right Ruth? Anyone not for her-majesty has to hate women…and anyone for OB must be black or black-supporters, right Ruth? I know you’re not…

As for pulling troops out of Iraq, there’s the nagging doubt because of what Samantha Powers was saying but I’m just one of those stupid people that was paying attention.

Yes, you are correct that McCain is not going to pursue a feminist agenda but neither is Obama.

“I wouldn’t trust you people to tell me the fucking time”

was a real career moment for him.

I like Brendan’s offal as a candidate, I also consider reagan, nixon, or perhaps early pre-genocide hitler viable alternatives to bush at this point.

we’ll have to see if the junta bombs iran before november to really know about the hitler case though…

Cause obviously there’s just no way you could support Obama unless you had been brainwashed by his speechifying.

Won’t someone tell me: after all, this site has been plugging the “so-and-so versus so-and-so” theme for some time, so I figure this is the place to learn what box I fit in.

I think she and her staff wrongly chose to ignore the young indies and the general “temperment” of the blogsphere of beig completely sick of this type of campaign. Add to that running this style against a very well-received/great speaker/mover of groups candidate. Dare I say OB has some of the same “candidate qualities” that mr hrc had when he defeated papa Bush? hrc has a stomach and ability to run a very GOP-like campaign, mucho moreso than her faithful spouse. She is Rove in a pant-suit. Doubt that? just read about her latest claim of garnering the majority of the “hard-working white vote” bloc and honestly say this is not something turd-blossom would do…
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/8/114550/1998/837/511733
I know it’s dailykos and everyone will wag their finger and say “I am having relations with that site” but trust me…go there and learn the truth. (sure kos is pro OB but this data is not someone’s opinion - pure facts). I think hrc would make an excellent SCOTUS justice or AG. No one can deny she has strengths no one can come close to…

Dems have too many lawyers in key party roles - that is why they continue to wrestle.

From this article it’s apparent Matt’s decided to take a real vacation from reality. At least it sounds like he’s enjoying himself.

I was surfing Hill-blogs the other day and noticed this bit of unintentional funny. At http://www.ironmyvote.com there’s a link on the front page declaring “Hillary is leading — by all counts now” Intrigued, I clicked, and was greeted with a giant “UNDER CONSTRUCTION” heading. The only evidence offered at all is a video from February explaingin how if you extrapolate from the exit polls…

That doesn’t even include the intellectual dishonesty of counting a one-candidate election in Michigan as a legitimate expression of the popular will.

Back on the subject, I find Matt Taibbi to be a fundamentally reprehensible human being - but I find his total intolerance for the stupidity of this campaign season both entertaining and necessary. He’s a writer in the classic Rolling Stone tradition.