Comments on: Perspective

By: barb

barb — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:30:54 +0000

k: Who’s “not allowed to talk now”?

And Redstar, not getting what you have in mind for meaning with your comment. I was talking about the probability that the more people are invested in a campaign, the more they will probably track what happens if the candidate is elected.

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 16 May 2008 01:40:50 +0000

To some degree, this was sort of the promise of the dude. He exists mostly outside the national organizations, and as he sets up his own, he’s inevitably going to kick some of the dipshits we know and loath to the curb. As an Obama supporter, that had some appeal to me, although my issue in this primary wasn’t this. The problem, inevitably, is that he brings his own dipshits with him, and I’m fairly certain that I’ll have a high degree of hate for them by the time this is all over. That’s assuming he wins in November, which isn’t a given.

By: k

Thu, 15 May 2008 22:08:52 +0000

“Remember how many millions of people will be invested financially and emotionally in his campaign by the time he gets to the White House. They won’t keep quiet, will they?”
Who cares? If they aren’t allowed to talk now, why should we assume they will be allowed to talk later?
WHAT ARE YOU FORGETTING ABOUT THE WORD “DEMOCRATIC”?
And yeah, I think shouting is important.

By: Redstar

Redstar — Thu, 15 May 2008 21:14:50 +0000

Unlike the millions of donors who are invested in Sen. Clinton’s campaign…

By: barb

barb — Thu, 15 May 2008 20:27:14 +0000

Personally, if it were my campaign I wouldn’t want anyone who had anything to do with the Clintons having any power at all over messaging. Who knows what their goals will really be once they understand they’ve lost the nomination this time.

I’m also not worried about lessening the number of ads put up by outside groups. They are often terrible — horribly negative and unprofessional to boot.

I think it’s clear that Obama thinks the only way he can overcome the GOP hate machine is to rise above it and shame it if it acts up. Going head to head with the hate mongers hasn’t really helped in the past, at least at the presidential level, has it?

I also have a strong belief that if Obama runs off the track as president, there will be really loud and widespread criticism that kick in so such an extent that he won’t be able to ignore it. Remember how many millions of people will be invested financially and emotionally in his campaign by the time he gets to the White House. They won’t keep quiet, will they?

By: lambert strether

lambert strether — Thu, 15 May 2008 17:23:32 +0000

I got a link … I guess I should totally lose my temper more often. Yeah, like that never happens now. Then again, anyone who isn’t outraged isn’t paying attention.

By: Susie

Susie — Thu, 15 May 2008 17:13:19 +0000

Matt, I missed those previous posts. My apologies. Too many blogs, too few hours in the day.

I guess my next question is, do you think progressives should quietly acquiesce to his plan?

By: Matt Stoller

Matt Stoller — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:50:11 +0000

I don’t think so - the part I wrote about was that he seemed at all optimistic that blogs would play any part in influencing an Obama administration toward progressive goals.

I have written repeatedly that blogs are irrelevant to Obama and that we have lost tremendous amounts of influence. Repeatedly.

Redstar, apologies, I put up the correction. It took m a few days.

By: Redstar

Redstar — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:32:36 +0000

Stoller also misattributed a post I wrote to Donna Darko when he quotes me in that post. I sent him an email but he hasn’t bothered to correct it.

So much for accuracy in reporting and analysis.