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	<title>Comments on: Further Down Memory Lane</title>
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	<description>Keeping a jaundiced eye on the corporate media.</description>
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		<title>By: memyself</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/05/22/10/55/further-down-memory-lane/#comment-143974</link>
		<dc:creator>memyself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fresh new quotes to chew on:

Gov. David Paterson just disagreed sharply with his presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, on her last-ditch efforts to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations.

While he stressed that he continues to support Clinton and will do so until "she makes a different determination," Paterson, a superdelegate, said he doesn't believe the DNC should change the rules after the fact on Florida and Michigan and added that he's not buying her claims about leading the popular vote if the ballots cast in those states were counted.

    "I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support and I'll support until whatever time she makes a different determination," Paterson said, adding: "I thought she was the best candidate and I thought she had the best chance of winning."


On Clinton's claims regarding the popular vote and likening the fight to set the Florida and Michigan delegates to the civil rights movement, Paterson said:

    "You have to rule out the undecideds in Michigan. You have to assume she won 100 percent to nothing in Michigan. I don't think anybody in their right mind would do that, nor would they see it as a civil rights issue."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fresh new quotes to chew on:</p>
<p>Gov. David Paterson just disagreed sharply with his presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, on her last-ditch efforts to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations.</p>
<p>While he stressed that he continues to support Clinton and will do so until &#8220;she makes a different determination,&#8221; Paterson, a superdelegate, said he doesn&#8217;t believe the DNC should change the rules after the fact on Florida and Michigan and added that he&#8217;s not buying her claims about leading the popular vote if the ballots cast in those states were counted.</p>
<p>    &#8220;I would say at this point we&#8217;re starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support and I&#8217;ll support until whatever time she makes a different determination,&#8221; Paterson said, adding: &#8220;I thought she was the best candidate and I thought she had the best chance of winning.&#8221;</p>
<p>On Clinton&#8217;s claims regarding the popular vote and likening the fight to set the Florida and Michigan delegates to the civil rights movement, Paterson said:</p>
<p>    &#8220;You have to rule out the undecideds in Michigan. You have to assume she won 100 percent to nothing in Michigan. I don&#8217;t think anybody in their right mind would do that, nor would they see it as a civil rights issue.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: agave</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/05/22/10/55/further-down-memory-lane/#comment-143957</link>
		<dc:creator>agave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does not matter.
McCain will be our next pres, thanks to this kind of BS.

On Both Sides!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does not matter.<br />
McCain will be our next pres, thanks to this kind of BS.</p>
<p>On Both Sides!</p>
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		<title>By: DrexelDem</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/05/22/10/55/further-down-memory-lane/#comment-143956</link>
		<dc:creator>DrexelDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since quote mining is all the rage here now, I feel compelled to offer the context for Markos's statement.  He spent much of 2007 arguing against the disproportionate influence of IA and NH on the nominating process, and Edwards and Obama obliging them (as they had to) rubbed him the wrong way.  

The crazier thing is that once the nomination is settled, the delegations will be seated.  That's what Kos was saying, and it's still true.  He apparently didn't envision a scenerio whereby Clinton would need to fight for the as-is results of the elections to be seated in full to have even a whisper of a chance at the nomination.

Allowing the MI election as-is to reverse the results of the other 49 states and so many territories would be a mockery of Democracy, unless you're a hack (Hi Susie!).

Of course, it doesn't make a difference one way or the other.  Clinton's just fighting for relevance at this point.  

Oh, and what Snuzy said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since quote mining is all the rage here now, I feel compelled to offer the context for Markos&#8217;s statement.  He spent much of 2007 arguing against the disproportionate influence of IA and NH on the nominating process, and Edwards and Obama obliging them (as they had to) rubbed him the wrong way.  </p>
<p>The crazier thing is that once the nomination is settled, the delegations will be seated.  That&#8217;s what Kos was saying, and it&#8217;s still true.  He apparently didn&#8217;t envision a scenerio whereby Clinton would need to fight for the as-is results of the elections to be seated in full to have even a whisper of a chance at the nomination.</p>
<p>Allowing the MI election as-is to reverse the results of the other 49 states and so many territories would be a mockery of Democracy, unless you&#8217;re a hack (Hi Susie!).</p>
<p>Of course, it doesn&#8217;t make a difference one way or the other.  Clinton&#8217;s just fighting for relevance at this point.  </p>
<p>Oh, and what Snuzy said.</p>
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		<title>By: snuzy mandrake</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/05/22/10/55/further-down-memory-lane/#comment-143951</link>
		<dc:creator>snuzy mandrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what's clear is that a lot of people's positions on MI and FL have "evolved" as circumstances changed, that includes both markos and clinton herself.

but so what? this is politics. everyone is spinning furiously in a way that will make what they want to happen happen. that's how politics works. the key is having a mind of your own and recognizing that clinton is arguing for FL and MI because she thinks it is her only hope of winning rather than for some lofty principle. (if it were for a lofty principle her campaign wouldn't have agreed that their delegates shouldn't be seated way back when). likewise, markos has retroactively wiped his discomfort about MI and FL from his mind because he's conscious of how the outcome might effect the candidate that he's now committed to. they're both just playing politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s clear is that a lot of people&#8217;s positions on MI and FL have &#8220;evolved&#8221; as circumstances changed, that includes both markos and clinton herself.</p>
<p>but so what? this is politics. everyone is spinning furiously in a way that will make what they want to happen happen. that&#8217;s how politics works. the key is having a mind of your own and recognizing that clinton is arguing for FL and MI because she thinks it is her only hope of winning rather than for some lofty principle. (if it were for a lofty principle her campaign wouldn&#8217;t have agreed that their delegates shouldn&#8217;t be seated way back when). likewise, markos has retroactively wiped his discomfort about MI and FL from his mind because he&#8217;s conscious of how the outcome might effect the candidate that he&#8217;s now committed to. they&#8217;re both just playing politics.</p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
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		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, I guess it's a lucky thing I make my own choices about voting, or  I would be, like, &lt;i&gt;totally confused&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, I guess it&#8217;s a lucky thing I make my own choices about voting, or  I would be, like, <i>totally confused</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: votermom</title>
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		<dc:creator>votermom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading that post. It was before he endorsed Obama, and when there was even the occasional pro-HRC diary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading that post. It was before he endorsed Obama, and when there was even the occasional pro-HRC diary.</p>
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