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	<title>Comments on: Why Is the DNC Ignoring MI’s Citizens’ Legal Complaints about the Cluster$%@#?</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/05/22/12/01/why-is-the-dnc-ignoring-mi%e2%80%99s-citizens%e2%80%99-legal-complaints-about-the-cluster/#comment-144027</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 17:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Mr. Obama, up ’til now, has been insisting that they not be counted."

Posting blatant lies does tend to undermine your argument.  Obama has consistently said:

1) He will abide by whatever the DNC decides and 
2) He supports fair revotes where all the voters originally eligible get to participate.

He has never "insisted" they not be counted, though he did sign the same original DNC pledge that Clinton did where it was indicated that they would not.  He has said that it is wrong to be disenfranchising the voters who did not vote in the original unsanctioned primaries because everyone (including Clinton and there's a YouTube video of it) said the election wouldn't count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr. Obama, up ’til now, has been insisting that they not be counted.&#8221;</p>
<p>Posting blatant lies does tend to undermine your argument.  Obama has consistently said:</p>
<p>1) He will abide by whatever the DNC decides and<br />
2) He supports fair revotes where all the voters originally eligible get to participate.</p>
<p>He has never &#8220;insisted&#8221; they not be counted, though he did sign the same original DNC pledge that Clinton did where it was indicated that they would not.  He has said that it is wrong to be disenfranchising the voters who did not vote in the original unsanctioned primaries because everyone (including Clinton and there&#8217;s a YouTube video of it) said the election wouldn&#8217;t count.</p>
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		<title>By: David Parsons</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/05/22/12/01/why-is-the-dnc-ignoring-mi%e2%80%99s-citizens%e2%80%99-legal-complaints-about-the-cluster/#comment-143989</link>
		<dc:creator>David Parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 06:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way your statement makes any sense would be  if Ms. Clinton's supporters were a collection of marionettes being controlled by the puppetmasters at the Clinton campaign headquarters.   Which, of course, they are not, but it is funny how you're appropriating a very Republican-style claim of a monolithic liberal conspiracy.

Ms. Clinton is correctly demanding that the Florida and Michigan votes be counted.   Mr. Obama, up 'til now, has been insisting that they not be counted.   This reflects well on Ms. Clinton, and does not reflect well on Mr. Obama, regardless of any attempts by Obama supporters to have the votes counted and attempts by Clinton supporters to have the vote suppressed.   This does not seem very difficult to follow, unless you're appropriating the philosophy of IOKIYAR, erasing the R, and crayoning in an OS.

And I believe that your recollection of events is either mistaken or maliciously incorrect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way your statement makes any sense would be  if Ms. Clinton&#8217;s supporters were a collection of marionettes being controlled by the puppetmasters at the Clinton campaign headquarters.   Which, of course, they are not, but it is funny how you&#8217;re appropriating a very Republican-style claim of a monolithic liberal conspiracy.</p>
<p>Ms. Clinton is correctly demanding that the Florida and Michigan votes be counted.   Mr. Obama, up &#8217;til now, has been insisting that they not be counted.   This reflects well on Ms. Clinton, and does not reflect well on Mr. Obama, regardless of any attempts by Obama supporters to have the votes counted and attempts by Clinton supporters to have the vote suppressed.   This does not seem very difficult to follow, unless you&#8217;re appropriating the philosophy of IOKIYAR, erasing the R, and crayoning in an OS.</p>
<p>And I believe that your recollection of events is either mistaken or maliciously incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: memyself</title>
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		<dc:creator>memyself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 03:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well David, I guess I am still just a tad confused about how Obama is to blame for the fact the the Clintons and their closest associates, who had more control of the DNC then any other presidential candidate BY FAR, made the decision not to seat any MI or FL delegates.

Clinton NOW equates this DNC decision (which she previously supported and which some of the highest level advisers in her campaign voted for) with the most vital and important  voting rights struggles in the history of our nation. So why on earth did she ever help cause the problem to begin with, and what miraculous event occurred to suddenly enlighten her with how horribly wrong it was?  

Perhaps it was the Floridians being lynched and chased away from voting booths with baseball bats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well David, I guess I am still just a tad confused about how Obama is to blame for the fact the the Clintons and their closest associates, who had more control of the DNC then any other presidential candidate BY FAR, made the decision not to seat any MI or FL delegates.</p>
<p>Clinton NOW equates this DNC decision (which she previously supported and which some of the highest level advisers in her campaign voted for) with the most vital and important  voting rights struggles in the history of our nation. So why on earth did she ever help cause the problem to begin with, and what miraculous event occurred to suddenly enlighten her with how horribly wrong it was?  </p>
<p>Perhaps it was the Floridians being lynched and chased away from voting booths with baseball bats.</p>
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		<title>By: David Parsons</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making up a set of "rules" that disenfranchise large chunks of the electorate is the sort of thing that the Republicans do.  It's to Ms. Clinton's continuing credit that she has the excellent political sense to argue against such rules, and it's to Mr. Obama's continuing shame that he does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making up a set of &#8220;rules&#8221; that disenfranchise large chunks of the electorate is the sort of thing that the Republicans do.  It&#8217;s to Ms. Clinton&#8217;s continuing credit that she has the excellent political sense to argue against such rules, and it&#8217;s to Mr. Obama&#8217;s continuing shame that he does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, maybe it's about breaking the rules of the Party?

No one did anything to the Michigan Democrats to put them in this situation other than . . . .

the Michigan Democrats.

(This has been brought to you by the "Have Your Cake and Eat It Too" brigade.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, maybe it&#8217;s about breaking the rules of the Party?</p>
<p>No one did anything to the Michigan Democrats to put them in this situation other than . . . .</p>
<p>the Michigan Democrats.</p>
<p>(This has been brought to you by the &#8220;Have Your Cake and Eat It Too&#8221; brigade.)</p>
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		<title>By: memyself</title>
		<link>http://susiemadrak.com/2008/05/22/12/01/why-is-the-dnc-ignoring-mi%e2%80%99s-citizens%e2%80%99-legal-complaints-about-the-cluster/#comment-143972</link>
		<dc:creator>memyself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens when you read the headlines and maybe a little bit of the first paragraph or two and make assumptions? You promote an article that says this:

" the DNC's own rules stipulate that,

    Delegates shall be allocated in a fashion that fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the primary voters or, if there is no binding primary, the convention and/or caucus participants. [my emphasis]

In the absence of a binding primary, the presidential preference must be judged by the preferences of the participants in "the convention and/or caucus." MI had district conventions, on April 19. And Obama supporters vastly outnumbered Hillary supporters--generally by at least 2 to 1, and in places by much greater margins. In other words, the legal preference of MI's voters is that Obama--not Hillary--get the larger proportion of delegates."

Heh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens when you read the headlines and maybe a little bit of the first paragraph or two and make assumptions? You promote an article that says this:</p>
<p>&#8221; the DNC&#8217;s own rules stipulate that,</p>
<p>    Delegates shall be allocated in a fashion that fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the primary voters or, if there is no binding primary, the convention and/or caucus participants. [my emphasis]</p>
<p>In the absence of a binding primary, the presidential preference must be judged by the preferences of the participants in &#8220;the convention and/or caucus.&#8221; MI had district conventions, on April 19. And Obama supporters vastly outnumbered Hillary supporters&#8211;generally by at least 2 to 1, and in places by much greater margins. In other words, the legal preference of MI&#8217;s voters is that Obama&#8211;not Hillary&#8211;get the larger proportion of delegates.&#8221;</p>
<p>Heh</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, maybe because following the rules as interpreted by Marcy would cause too many Clinton supporters to go totally ballistic (note it  would give Obama a 2:1 delegate advantage).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, maybe because following the rules as interpreted by Marcy would cause too many Clinton supporters to go totally ballistic (note it  would give Obama a 2:1 delegate advantage).</p>
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