And Justice for All
Apr 26th, 2007 at 8:59 am by Susie
They make me sick:
The Justice Department has asked a federal appeals court to impose tighter restrictions on the hundreds of lawyers who represent detainees at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and the request has become a central issue in a new legal battle over the administration’s detention policies.
Saying that visits by civilian lawyers and attorney-client mail have caused “intractable problems and threats to security at Guantánamo,” a Justice Department filing proposes new limits on the lawyers’ contact with their clients and access to evidence in their cases that would replace more expansive rules that have governed them since they began visiting Guantánamo detainees in large numbers in 2004.
The filing says the lawyers have caused unrest among the detainees and have improperly served as a conduit to the news media, assertions that have drawn angry responses from some of the lawyers.
The dispute is the latest and perhaps the most significant clash over the role of lawyers for the detainees. “There is no right on the part of counsel to access to detained aliens on a secure military base in a foreign country,” the Justice Department filing argued.
This is what makes ME sick:
One of these guys says when he gets out he’s gonna hunt down his captors & their families & “cut their throats like sheep”. Another has attacked the guards over 20 times, swearing to kill all of them when he’s released. Another tells his captors he prays to Allah for the destruction of America (not just Republicians).
These guys are right where they belong. They can’t murder our citizens. They are not innocent bystanders caught up in all of this. They are bomb-makers, terrorist trainers, Bin Laden bodyguards & foot soldiers-by their own admission, very dangerous people.
And you actually believe the Justice Department is out of line. Hell, HUNDREDS of lawyers for, what, about 400 terrorists?
We’re screwed………
kevin, your comment is so awfully misguided i don’t know where to begin, but let’s start by imagining something. suppose you’re an innocent bystander sold to a foreign power five years ago (and people were sold). for 5 years you have been imprisoned in a foreign country, constantly interrogated and probably also tortured, with no chance to see your family, no trial, no opportunity to prove your innocence other than a tribunal whose verdict against you is practically assured beforehand, and by now no hope of release. you think that maybe you might start praying for the destruction of whoever held you in prison? also, i should note that you provide no link to substantiate any of your claims.
but the really sad part is that all this is completely besides the point. the only reason these men are in jail is because the government believes them to be bad people. the ONLY reason. they could all be just as guilty as the administration says: i doubt it very much, largely because of the administration’s abominable track record on these kinds of things, and it wouldn’t matter one little bit, because as soon as you allow the government to imprison people on its say-so, with no review or recourse to the legal system, you have struck at the heart of the freedoms that the administration keeps talking about. the main feature of a tyranny is its ability to arbitrarily arrest and hold people at its pleasure, and that’s exactly what we’ve got going on at gitmo. and please don’t tell me that only bad guys get arrested: it’s always only bad guys right up until you’re living in a police state.
Suze, I’m a first amendment absolutist and all that, but I think it is time for you to invoke IP banning on ol’ Kevin. Making claims which have no basis in fact isn’t free speech, it’s lying.
I don’t think that Kevin should be banned.
Rather, he should be detained indefinitely
at Guantanamo without access to a lawyer
or Fox News.
I don’t think that Kevin should be banned.
Rather, he should be indefinitely detained
at Guantanamo without access to a lawyer or
the Fox News channel.
No need to ban (tho Iz, I do like your solution!). There are words for guys like Kevin: Easy Target. He’s our troll equivalent of Cheney’s hunting expeditions. It’s fun and easy to shoot him down. I mean, it’s not like anyone takes him seriously…
Maya, you compare him to Deadeye Dick Cheney.
I compare him to Heckuva Job Brownie.
Nonono - I’m comparing him to the quail.