What they want

Via Digby, David Plouffe explains it all for you:

Obama senior adviser David Plouffe predicted that the fiscal cliff negotiations are “going to get hairy” in the coming weeks, saying President Barack Obama is committed to achieving the elusive “big deal” on taxes and spending he and Speaker of the House John Boehner have tried to strike for more than 18 months.

In post-election remarks at the University of Delaware, Plouffe warned of “paralysis” if both parties remain beholden to their base, saying Obama is looking for a deal that sets the country on the right fiscal path for a 10- to 20-year period.

“The only way that gets done is for Republicans again to step back and get mercilessly criticized by Grover Norquist and the Right, and it means that Democrats are going to have to do some tough things on spending and entitlements that means that they’ll criticized on by their left,” Plouffe said at his alma mater in conversation with former McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt.

The senior White House adviser repeated Obama’s opposition to extending the Bush tax cuts on those earning more than $250,000 a year, but expressed openness to a tax reform deal that could potentially lower what the wealthy pay.

“What we also want to do is engage in a process of tax reform that would ultimately produce lower rates, even potentially for the wealthiest,” he said, referring to benefits from corporate tax reform.

Plouffe added that while the White House wants to engage in comprehensive tax reform, they know they must also “carefully” address the “chief drivers of our deficit”: Medicare and Medicaid.

I don’t think “Criticized” is quite strong enough to describe the shitstorm we’re going to throw at them when they try this.

8 Responses to What they want

  1. Andre November 27, 2012 at 10:13 am #

    They have no idea how big a shitstorm. And I’m not waiting until that time. When our congress people get back to DC, they will hear from me on my future election decisions.

  2. lless November 27, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    The truth will out. The fiscal cliff was not conjured to panic Republicans. In fact, we now have the spector of Norquist endorsing going over to save face. The reason this gets done in the lame duck is that the Democrats need the cover of a false quid pro quo. We had to make some “concessions” to get upper bracket inclusion. Entitlements have zero to do with the deficit at this point. We have a deficit because of bracket cutting and capital gains treatments going all the way back to Reagan; waging wars without raising taxes and runaway inflation in associated defense programs; a tech bubble fueled and unfunded tax cut; a recession, misdirected bail out and resulting unemployment. Cutting entitlements reduces this deficit not a dime. If January comes without action the Democrats get caught pants down. The unfunded tax cut expires. They then have to justify cutting Social Security and Medicare without making so much as a feint at the revenue side of the equation. This is the legacy move of a Republican zombie Democratic Party and it is where they desparately want to go. They will do it. Fittingly the casualties in the next catastrophic midterms will again be the Blue Dogs. But the fetid corpse of this stinking party needs to be buried. The deal ONLY gets done with the Democrats driving it. And the whole lot of you will vote for them in two and four years. Therein lies the problem.

  3. jawbone November 27, 2012 at 10:20 am #

    Suggestion — substitute “earned benefits” every time you hear or read pols talking about SocSec and Medicare as “entitlements.”

    Use “earned benefits” yourself in discussing the fake propaganda term “fiscal cliff*,” which is only an excuse to go after earned benedits. OUR earned benefits. Which are as nothing to the Uberwealthy.

    Entitlements is exactly correct, since it means a benefit someone has paid for, but the right and especially now Corporatists Repubs and Dems both are denigrating SocSec and Medicare by using “entititlements” to mean someonethings UNearned, something provided for free to undeserving moochers and takers.

    Yeah, lookin’ at YOU, BO!!!

    Anyway, “earned benefits.” Try it out on your friends and at other blog sites.

    Especially try it out on your elected officials, up to and including the prez.

    And scrutinize any “news’ report using the terms “fiscal cliff” and “entitlements” in close proximity. It’s pure propaganda.

    As Dave Johnson wrote, merely using the term “fiscal cliff” is taking sides. Or, at the very least, using the term the enemies of the great Democratic social programs of earned benefits want you to use. It’s a scare term, designed to make people stop thinking.

    This morning on NPR’s WNYC, the local annoucer teased a program by saying it would include a setment about Obama trying to prevent the economy from “careening off the fiscal cliff.”

    This is a “reporter” doubling down on the propaganda part of the term, and trying to double or quadruple the scare factor by adding the scare verb “careening.” WOW.

    Really. Just WOW — public radio, a member in good standing of the Mainstream Corporate Media (MCM). How could it be otherwise when so much of their funding comes from Big Bidness and the Uberwealthy?

  4. jawbone November 27, 2012 at 10:24 am #

    Also — Shitstorm WHEN they this try this?

    They’re DOING it right now, under our noses, but trying so sneak it to the fail accompli point before people in general catch on.

    Raise holy hell NOW.

  5. jawbone November 27, 2012 at 10:25 am #

    Oh, for an edit feature! dang. “trying TO sneak to the fait accompli point”

    And the first post, too many typos to go back for….

  6. jawbone November 27, 2012 at 10:26 am #

    Press not Submit in haste….

  7. mjames November 27, 2012 at 10:29 am #

    You know, it’s really quite amazing. Despite what the economists say, despite what the voters say, and despite the facts, these awful excuses for human beings continue on the path to destroying the country. Now that’s a real cliff they’re pushing us all over (themselves included). And how the hell are we supposed to buy stuff (including health insurance) when we have no money and no prospects for money?

  8. imhotep November 27, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    Let’s not get all crazy about this stuff. Yet. Plouffe has absolutely no relevance in any of this discussion. He has no vote. Congress—the House and the Senate—vote. Obama has no vote. He can talk, but he can’t vote. Social Security is off the table. ObamaCare is off the table. Cutting the defense budget and raising taxes on the 2% is on the table. That should be our focus. Medicare needs to be restructured. The profit motive (free markets) must be eliminated. That should be our focus. Everything else is bullshit aimed at the “low information” voter. “Bread and circuses” and other fun for the feeble.

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