The New York Times goes into depth about the economic demands of Obamacare insurance policies. Okay, we tried it your shitty, expensive, corporate friendly way — can we have single payer now?
WASHINGTON — For months, the Obama administration has heralded the low premiums of medical insurance policies on sale in the insurance exchanges created by the new health law. But as consumers dig into the details, they are finding that the deductibles and other out-of-pocket costs are often much higher than what is typical in employer-sponsored health plans.
Until now, it was almost impossible for people using the federal health care website to see the deductible amounts, which consumers pay before coverage kicks in. But federal officials finally relented last week and added a “window shopping” feature that displays data on deductibles.
For policies offered in the federal exchange, as in many states, the annual deductible often tops $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a couple.
Insurers devised the new policies on the assumption that consumers would pick a plan based mainly on price, as reflected in the premium. But insurance plans with lower premiums generally have higher deductibles.
In El Paso, Tex., for example, for a husband and wife both age 35, one of the cheapest plans on the federal exchange, offered by Blue Cross and Blue Shield, has a premium less than $300 a month, but the annual deductible is more than $12,000. For a 45-year-old couple seeking insurance on the federal exchange in Saginaw, Mich., a policy with a premium of $515 a month has a deductible of $10,000.
In Santa Cruz, Calif., where the exchange is run by the state, Robert Aaron, a self-employed 56-year-old engineer, said he was looking for a low-cost plan. The best one he could find had a premium of $488 a month. But the annual deductible was $5,000, and that, he said, “sounds really high.”
By contrast, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the average deductible in employer-sponsored health plans is $1,135.
“Deductibles for many plans in the insurance exchanges are pretty high,” said Stan Dorn, a health policy expert at the Urban Institute. “These plans are more generous than what’s prevalent in the current individual insurance market, but significantly less generous than most employer-sponsored insurance.”
Caroline F. Pearson, a vice president of Avalere Health, a consulting company that has analyzed hundreds of plans, said: “The premiums are lower than expected, but consumers on the exchange will often face high deductibles and high co-payments for medical services and prescription drugs before they reach the cap on out-of-pocket costs,” $6,350 for an individual and $12,700 for a family.
Those limits provide significant protection, even though those sums are substantial for most consumers. In addition, the federal website, HealthCare.gov, informs people that they may qualify for subsidies to reduce their out-of-pocket costs if their household income is below 250 percent of the federal poverty level, meaning that it is less than $28,725 for an individual or $48,825 for a family of three.These “cost-sharing reductions” are available for a specific kind of midlevel plan known as a silver plan. People with lower incomes can get more help with out-of-pocket costs, but only if they choose silver plans.
Mr. Dorn said the government had not done much to inform people of these potential savings. “Consumers are giving up cost-sharing reductions of enormous value if they enroll in a bronze plan because it has the lowest premium,” he said.
Plans in the marketplace are separated into four categories — bronze, silver, gold and platinum — indicating the generosity of coverage, or the share of costs paid by insurance for an average enrollee.
Many people buying insurance on the federal and state exchanges are expected to qualify for subsidies. But in the first month, for reasons that are not clear, only 30 percent qualified. The others must pay the full premium and will be subject to the full deductible.
Most people shopping in the exchanges are expected to choose bronze or silver plans, which provide less generous coverage than most employer-sponsored plans.

It’s pretty amusing to watch the American people turn into Socialists en masse. Why anyone in their right mind would believe that allowing the middlemen—-the health insurance companies—to make a profit would somehow lower the cost of health care is beyond logic? Oh that’s right we’re talking about Republicans and Libertarians being logical thinkers. Never mind.
I don’t see any point in paying $2,000/year in a premium and still have to come up with $6,000 deductible plus 40%. I am going to just skip enrolling and save the premium for the first $2,000 in medical expenses. The “penalty” I just accept as part of my income tax.
In your case, it depends. If you get enough of a subsidy, it will cover most of your premium and you can use the HMO, which has no deductible. And you won’t really know what your subsidy is until you enroll. Or you can try healthsherpa.com.
In your case, it depends. If you get enough of a subsidy, it will cover most of your premium and you can use the HMO, which has no deductible. And you won’t really know what your subsidy is until you enroll. Or you can try healthsherpa.com.
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I have only a glimmer of understanding of that statement. It’s kind of sad and pathetic that you know so much about this.
I have what is considered good insurance (BlueCross) thru my job, and even that is too complicated for me (waiting weeks or months to see a preferred doctor and then getting burned when the doc sends your tests to an out of network lab). The first year I had insurance, I had a weird mole removed at age 35 that ended up costing me as much or more than if I had paid everything out of pocket with no insurance at a better dermatologist’s when I had no insurance (at least I called around and got some estimates of the cost, maybe they were lowballing me, but I was not amused when I got the bills after waiting for insurance). I had a hernia repair 5 years ago, so I got a small chunk of my 15 years of premium payments back, but other than that I never mess with doctors (I’m 50). I don’t need that kind of aggravation.
I have no idea how people can deal with all these hassles. Only the chronically sick like Susie, or healthy worriers like Digby who have been wresting with this crap forever, seem to be up to the task of enrolling in Obamacare. If I was under 40 and relatively healthy and financially insecure, I would not be signing up either. And I would call that a huge demographic since young people mostly have sucky jobs and too much debt. I had “good” insurance available to me at age 30, but even then the premiums were too much because my pay wasn’t that great or steady, and I couldn’t afford it.
I think Obamacare will most def be a huge disaster, no matter how much Krugman and Digby cheerlead it. And there will be no medicare/medicaid for all either, at least on the federal level. Just the Dems running away from it and losing big time in the midterm elections. Yellow stripes and dead armadillos, that’s what the Democrat party stands for.
Only if a few states go single payer, we might see a few more follow over the years. Go Vermont. They led the nation on gay marriage, and it’s only taken about 15 years since then for it to really catch on. Just be patient folks! (forgive the pun. and don’t be patients, that’s too fucking expensive).