Iran

Rumor or fact?

Israeli officials told visiting US Joint Chief of Staff Martin Dempsey that it would give President Barack Obama no more than 12 hours notice if and when it attacks Iran, The London Times reported Sunday.

The Netanyahu government also will not coordinate with the United States an attack on the Islamic Republic, according to the report, the latest in a number of supposed scenarios concerning cooperation or lack of it between Jerusalem and Washington.

It is left to speculation whether the rumors are based on facts or are leaked by officials to mask the possibility of secret military coordination.

The London Times said its sources explained that that Israel fears that President Obama would try to torpedo an Israel attack if more notice were given because he is concerned that Iran will respond by blocking the Strait of Hormuz, sparking a rise in the price of oil that could cripple Western economies. If the attack were to occur in the next 10 months, it would put President Obama in a tight spot on the eve of his bid for re-election.

14 thoughts on “Iran

  1. There go the Zionists (neo-cons) again. Just like the Zionist Eric Cantor of Virginia, the Zionists always “Want what they want when they want it,” or they’ll f*** you up. Two weeks ago (before Dempsey went to Israel) Obama “postponed” the large joint US/Israeli military exercises set to take place this Spring. That move enraged Netanyahu. So now he’s pushing back like the tiny, little, Zionist, man that he is. If Israel attacks Iran, they will be attacked by Hamas from the South, Hezbollah from the North, Fatah and Syria from the East. Thousands of rockets will rain down on their heads and it will be lights out for Israel. Forever. Note: Since Obama “postponed” those joint military exercises with Israel, Iran has been very quiet.

  2. as much as i don’t approve of israeli policy, i have to say that imhotep’s rants about zionist in every israel-related thread (and quite a few non-israel related ones) is getting pretty tiresome.

  3. snuzy mandrake, you are aware the Zionist policy and Israeli policy are two separate and distinct things aren’t you? That asked, what is it about Israeli policy that you don’t approve of?

  4. you are aware the Zionist policy and Israeli policy are two separate and distinct things aren’t you?

    please explain.

    That asked, what is it about Israeli policy that you don’t approve of?

    you want a whole list? settlements, treatment of palestinians in the west bank, treatment of gaza, its policy towards hamas, treatment of arab israeli citizens, coddling of religious extremists if they are jewish, uber-hawkish stance they take towards everyone, their not-quite-secret nuclear program, and so on. stuff like that.

    on the other hand, i could probably come up with a long list of stuff i don’t like about the policies of any country that i know anything about. rather than just trashing a particular country in general, i think it makes more sense to discuss particular issues.

  5. Israeli policy is best left to Israelis. I do not see any good with America jumping in their affairs. If they give us 12 hours notice, that gives us plenty of time to weigh in with our opinion. We should not allow politics to enter into it, no matter what our neocons say about it.

  6. snuzy, not all Jews or Israelis are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews or Israelis. There are a fair number of Zionists in the US Congress (Eric Cantor) and in positions of power outside of Congress (the Koch brothers). You may know them as neo-cons. Neo-con policy is quite different from Israeli policy. Although Zionists like Israeli hawk Netanyahu and American hawk Sheldon Adelson of Las Vegas (Newt’s largest campaign cash supporter), agree on most policy issues. Including going to war with Iran.

  7. NormanLake, unfortunately previous political decisions made by past presidents have tied US foreign policy and Israeli foreign policy tightly together. So much so that many in the Arab world are firmy convinced that US foreign policy and Israeli foreign policy are one in the same. (Blame it on Arab propaganda if you’d like.) Therefore, if Israel attacks Iran the Arab world will view that attack as having come from the United States. That state of affairs can be blamed on American Zionists (AIPAC). These Zionists may not have meant it to have turned out the way it has, but it has. Israel is us and we are them.

  8. snuzy, not all Jews or Israelis are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews or Israelis.

    i never said they were. (on the other hand, most israelis, i think, would call themselves at least mildly zionist. their country identifies itself as a zionist state. the term doesn’t mean the same thing inside israel as it does in other parts of the world).

    You may know them as neo-cons. Neo-con policy is quite different from Israeli policy.

    likewise, neo-con policy is not the same as zionism, although american neo-cons are, for the most part, zionists.

    but so what? why is the label “zionist” so important? i think you use it so much, it lessens the impact of whatever point you are trying to make. plus, as i allude to above, the label doesn’t mean the same thing to different people.

    not to pick on you in particular. i’ve just noticed that if i am set to comment on a thread and see you railing about zionists there already, i’m a lot less likely to contribute because it seems (to me) that you are tossing a whole bunch of other miscelleneous matters into what would otherwise be a discussion of a single focused issue. maybe it’s just me.

  9. If they give us 12 hours notice, that gives us plenty of time to weigh in with our opinion.

    the bigger issue is whether that gives enough time to stop it. israel might do the strike, but the u.s. is much more likely to suffer the negative consequences (and be blamed for the attack, no matter what happens).

  10. snuzy, until 3 or 4 years ago if anyone spoke about Israeli foreign policy they were called “anti-Semites.” Nobody wanted to be considered an anti-Semite, or called one, especially knowing how the Jews had suffered in WWII, so nobody talked about Israeli foreign policy. At least not in the USA. The Zionists were behind this call everybody an anti-Semite campaign. The Zionists were the one’s who pushed for an invasion of Iraq. The Zionists are the one’s pushing for a war with Iran. Zionists are not very nice people. If one were a German in 1935 or ’36 wouldn’t you hope that at every opportunity they would rant against Hitler?

  11. Ten minutes notice would be plenty of reaction time if we were willing to shoot down their airplanes when they crossed over Iraq. The USA owns the air over the whole middle east.

    The twelve hours notice only makes sense if they needed time to build enough political pressure on the President to make him let them proceed.

  12. Ten minutes notice would be plenty of reaction time if we were willing to shoot down their airplanes when they crossed over Iraq. The USA owns the air over the whole middle east.

    not anymore, at least not with regard to iraq. the u.s. ceded control of iraqi airspace effective january 1, 2012. the u.s. does effectively control the airspace over the persian gulf, and turkey would probably not let an israeli strike force cross its territory.

    that leaves a corridor through syria that the u.s. does not control (and would have to invade syrian airspace to stop an israeli strike), then over iraq. if the israelis went that way, it would be very difficult for the u.s. to stop it unless they were willing to share information with the syrian or iraqi governments to attack israel–which is not likely at all.

  13. my question is whether the Times of London is a trustworthy paper. there are quite a few tabloids -the telegraph is one example- that are used to launder wingnut lies, and then sell them to the American public.

  14. I thought of that, which is why I made it clear it could be a rumor. But honestly, it’s gotten to the point where I trust very few papers. It’s a leap of faith!

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