I predict trolls coming out of the woodwork tomorrow.
I was wrong…. I also wondered by the Feds would let this kid be offed since they’re so desperate to have real live home grown terrist to interrogate.
So, for whatever reason, the kid is not dead. Thank goodness.
Unless he’s driven crazy by solitary for, what 23 and a half hours a day??? Our government no longer believes in “correcting” people at corrections facilities.
HOLY SHIT, you mean to say this “kid killer” and his stupid-assed brother are/were white??? Goddamint, let’s send ’em all back to Africa, er’, I mean um, Russia(?), no….Atlanta, Gergia????? I dunno, fuck it, send ’em all to Gitmo…………….maybe?
And, now, no Miranda for this seriously wounded prisoner. Plus the Ortiz treatment?
Fascinating article about how our cities are being increasingly viewed as dangerous to the Powers That Be — and it’s been so for a long time, but now the authorities are using more and more militarized approaches. It’s based on notes taken by Jamie writing at New Left Project about Prof. Stephen Graham’s new book, Cities Under Siege: The New Military Urbanism.
Jamie notes his quotes are not precise, as they come from his notes written during a spoken presentation.
QUOTE
Graham identified a discourse of ‘new military urbanism’, characterised chiefly by the application of military technologies, techniques and analytical frameworks to ‘civil’ spaces, chiefly, in his focus, the city. The discourse has the effect of problematising the city as a site of threat, of conflict, and of disorder. Its cosmopolitanism, density and complexity makes it difficult to control, and hence threatening. A RAND study, cited by Gan Golan (and then by Graham), describes cities as “the places where radical ideas ferment, dissenters find allies and discontented groups find media attention”, concluding on these grounds that cities constitute “a likely source of conflict in the future.” In this respect, the new military urbanism is congruent with the anti-urbanism of the far-right, whose discourse of parochialism and national ‘purity’ is undermined by and hostile to the cosmopolitan ‘mixing’ of the city (cf. the widespread American notion of the rural as the home of ‘authentic’ patriotism; the concentration of military recruitment activities in rural areas; etc.). Equally, it plainly ties in to the discourse of the ‘war on terror’ – “asymmetric warfare”, COIN, and so on.
Citing Eyal Weizman, Graham emphasised that the city is properly viewed not merely as the site of or background to, but as a medium of, warfare.
END QUOTE
Thank dog no one else was killed. Global War on Terra, indeed, just a wounded kid with a gun hiding in the neighbors yard afraid to go home. Drone airstrikes weren’t needed after all.
In related news, in a move of preemptive self-defense, the Czech Republic points out that it’s NOT Chechnya to Americans who apparently always need a geography lesson.
Dandy — not only white, but true Caucasians!! As in coming from the Caucusus area.
The ‘Public Safety Exception’ clause in the Patriot Act vs. Miranda Rights. Nothing Tsarnaev tells the authorities before he is read his Miranda Rights can be used against him in a court of law according to the Supreme Court. If the President labels him an ‘enemy combatant’ then he can be held without a trial—forever—according to the Patriot Act and the National Security Act. Gulags are a beautiful thing.
If the Congress can by Patriot Act revoke or create an exception to Miranda, then they must have the power to revoke the right to counsel, trial by jury (they assert this), presumption of innocence, right to remain silent, and the protection against cruel and unusual punishment in connection to a terrorism charge. If that all seems absurd, go back and read the Justice Department’s rationale for bombing citizens. Forget the Twin Towers, the terrorist’s victory lies in imploding the Due Process Clause.
troll<—coming out of the word work.
Typo, and it stays.
Public safety exception was developed in narrow SCOTUS ruling in the mid-1980’s.
Hugh at Corrente has post giving a brief history of the development, and it involved a gun put somewhere in a shop which was being robbed. Cops showed up, knew there was a gun, but it was not on the perp. A cop asked where it was, the perp gave him the place he’d stashed it in the store, and then the cop read the guy his Miranda warning.
The majority said the fact there was a loaded gun in the store made finding the gun the highest priority and came up with the “public safety exception.” No harm, no foul.
The minority said that the decision created a slippery slope to using “public safety” to eliminate the bright line that law enforcement had learned not to cross. Guess they were too damn correct, eh?
Now, there is a seriously wounded prisoner in a hospital, unable to move, by now probably recuperating from surgery. He no longer poses a public safety threat.
And here we are, with the public safety exception being stretched and stretched and stretched. So now, the alleged second bomber will be given the John Walker Lindh treatment: no Miranda, no lawyer, and dog knows what kind of interrogation, except this will be in the USA, not Afghanistan under battle conditions. The similarity is both are citizens of the US..
I predict trolls coming out of the woodwork tomorrow.
I was wrong…. I also wondered by the Feds would let this kid be offed since they’re so desperate to have real live home grown terrist to interrogate.
So, for whatever reason, the kid is not dead. Thank goodness.
Unless he’s driven crazy by solitary for, what 23 and a half hours a day??? Our government no longer believes in “correcting” people at corrections facilities.
HOLY SHIT, you mean to say this “kid killer” and his stupid-assed brother are/were white??? Goddamint, let’s send ’em all back to Africa, er’, I mean um, Russia(?), no….Atlanta, Gergia????? I dunno, fuck it, send ’em all to Gitmo…………….maybe?
And, now, no Miranda for this seriously wounded prisoner. Plus the Ortiz treatment?
Fascinating article about how our cities are being increasingly viewed as dangerous to the Powers That Be — and it’s been so for a long time, but now the authorities are using more and more militarized approaches. It’s based on notes taken by Jamie writing at New Left Project about Prof. Stephen Graham’s new book, Cities Under Siege: The New Military Urbanism.
Jamie notes his quotes are not precise, as they come from his notes written during a spoken presentation.
QUOTE
Graham identified a discourse of ‘new military urbanism’, characterised chiefly by the application of military technologies, techniques and analytical frameworks to ‘civil’ spaces, chiefly, in his focus, the city. The discourse has the effect of problematising the city as a site of threat, of conflict, and of disorder. Its cosmopolitanism, density and complexity makes it difficult to control, and hence threatening. A RAND study, cited by Gan Golan (and then by Graham), describes cities as “the places where radical ideas ferment, dissenters find allies and discontented groups find media attention”, concluding on these grounds that cities constitute “a likely source of conflict in the future.” In this respect, the new military urbanism is congruent with the anti-urbanism of the far-right, whose discourse of parochialism and national ‘purity’ is undermined by and hostile to the cosmopolitan ‘mixing’ of the city (cf. the widespread American notion of the rural as the home of ‘authentic’ patriotism; the concentration of military recruitment activities in rural areas; etc.). Equally, it plainly ties in to the discourse of the ‘war on terror’ – “asymmetric warfare”, COIN, and so on.
Citing Eyal Weizman, Graham emphasised that the city is properly viewed not merely as the site of or background to, but as a medium of, warfare.
END QUOTE
http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/blog_comments/the_new_military_urbanism
Via Commenter neretva’43 in a thread at Moon of Alabama./a>
Thank dog no one else was killed. Global War on Terra, indeed, just a wounded kid with a gun hiding in the neighbors yard afraid to go home. Drone airstrikes weren’t needed after all.
In related news, in a move of preemptive self-defense, the Czech Republic points out that it’s NOT Chechnya to Americans who apparently always need a geography lesson.
Dandy — not only white, but true Caucasians!! As in coming from the Caucusus area.
The ‘Public Safety Exception’ clause in the Patriot Act vs. Miranda Rights. Nothing Tsarnaev tells the authorities before he is read his Miranda Rights can be used against him in a court of law according to the Supreme Court. If the President labels him an ‘enemy combatant’ then he can be held without a trial—forever—according to the Patriot Act and the National Security Act. Gulags are a beautiful thing.
If the Congress can by Patriot Act revoke or create an exception to Miranda, then they must have the power to revoke the right to counsel, trial by jury (they assert this), presumption of innocence, right to remain silent, and the protection against cruel and unusual punishment in connection to a terrorism charge. If that all seems absurd, go back and read the Justice Department’s rationale for bombing citizens. Forget the Twin Towers, the terrorist’s victory lies in imploding the Due Process Clause.
troll<—coming out of the word work.
Typo, and it stays.
Public safety exception was developed in narrow SCOTUS ruling in the mid-1980’s.
Hugh at Corrente has post giving a brief history of the development, and it involved a gun put somewhere in a shop which was being robbed. Cops showed up, knew there was a gun, but it was not on the perp. A cop asked where it was, the perp gave him the place he’d stashed it in the store, and then the cop read the guy his Miranda warning.
The majority said the fact there was a loaded gun in the store made finding the gun the highest priority and came up with the “public safety exception.” No harm, no foul.
The minority said that the decision created a slippery slope to using “public safety” to eliminate the bright line that law enforcement had learned not to cross. Guess they were too damn correct, eh?
Now, there is a seriously wounded prisoner in a hospital, unable to move, by now probably recuperating from surgery. He no longer poses a public safety threat.
And here we are, with the public safety exception being stretched and stretched and stretched. So now, the alleged second bomber will be given the John Walker Lindh treatment: no Miranda, no lawyer, and dog knows what kind of interrogation, except this will be in the USA, not Afghanistan under battle conditions. The similarity is both are citizens of the US..